re: CRob and Hootie Jones arrested

Just like Eddie Williams' gun charge wasn't there

Was Eddie a two year starter and a future top ten pick?
I have seen high school, college and NFL players get away with some pretty serious offenses, just because of who they are.

Not replying to anyone in particular, but to the mountain of folks jumping to conclusions:

1) Innocent until proven guilty. Yes, this is still true in the US. And it should be especially forward in everyone's minds given the amount of police corruption and the average quality of human that goes into police work.

2) Regarding the "facts" of the case as they now seem: From personal experience, just because a police report states something, does not mean it actually happened. Given the structure of the system, cops have a license to lie and frequently do. Personally, I highly doubt Jones had a gun on his lap when police walked up. Cops just trying to makes charges stick.

3) There are a thousand unknowns that change the situation:

Two bags of weed means nothing. It doesn't create any semblance of distribution. Two guys each had their own weed. It's common courtesy for smokers to have your own. How much weed was in each bag?

Regarding the guns, were they loaded? Were there bullets in the car for said guns? "No" to either of these questions creates a lot of wiggle room for attorneys when dealing.

How were they dressed? All black head-to-toe? Or shorts and flipflops?

Did they cooperate?

Where was the parking lot? Was it next door to where they were staying? Did they have a logical reason to be at that location?

Who does the car belong to? Were the keys even in the car, or were they just sitting there cause they couldn't smoke in the house/apt where they were staying?

4) Being awake at 2AM is not a crime, and is common practice for anyone their age. For folks that age, 2am is is their parents' generation 10pm.

5) In the evidence that I have, the least trustable entities in this situation are the police officers. The 2 arrestees have demonstrated the ability to attend a good university for a period of years and attend class, keep grades good enough to stay in school, and play a sport. Both, to my knowledge, have never been in trouble before.

I do not have the same knowledge of the police officers. All I know is that they are employed as cops, and that means nothing with regard to the quality of person. Did they go to college? They could have had charges in the past themselves. They could have been the subject of internal reprimand. Point being, in many places in the US dirty cops outnumber good cops. Just another unknown at this time.

My overall point is this. WE DON"T HAVE ALL THE FACTS AND ANYONE WHO JUMPS TO CONCLUSIONS BASED OFF OF A FEW MEDIA SNIPPETS BASED OFF SOLELY THE POLICE REPORTS ARE BEING SH!TTY HUMANS. Is it good? Nope. Should |Robinson and Jones have made different decisions? Yes. But a thousand scenarios are possible, and not one of you knows the truth.

There is no defense for one human judging another without all the facts, and any Christian who does this needs a refresher on scripture.

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Was Eddie a two year starter and a future top ten pick? I have seen high school, college and NFL players get away with some pretty serious offenses, just because of who they are.

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And I've seen some go to jail and ruin their careers. No one is going to wave a magic wand and make this one go away. It's way past that point. He may be able to plea down or if he has a good enough lawyer he may even be able to get off completely but all that would take place long after Bama cuts ties

You definitely have no bias against law enforcement at all. Don't care about innocent until proven guilty. UA football is a public institution that needs to be aware of public relations nightmares and head them off before they escalate. We handled Taylor very poorly last year. I'd image we would not like to go through that again. Even if all they were doing was smoking weed in a car with guns in it, they should be gone.

I'm all for giving people second and third chances, especially college kids that make stupid little mistakes. This isn't a little mistake. If the report is true they should be kicked off the team.
Out at almost 3:00 A.M. with weapons and two bags of weed? stupid asses. What kind of precedent would Saban set, if he allowed that shite to stay on the team?

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Even if all they were doing was smoking weed in a car with guns in it, they should be gone.

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I'm not against this opinion. I'm just not convinced those are the facts at this juncture. However, if true, it would be hard to keep them on the team.

So you think there is a chance the cops planted the guns on them?

So uh...where's Charles Baldwin at these days? Think we can uh...forgive that whole business?

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What he did was worse. Allegedly.

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Also he apparently sucks