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Posted on 3/10/14 at 9:20 pm to adammwilson
Posted on 3/10/14 at 9:20 pm to adammwilson
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Yeah and that still doesn't mean Kiffin did any actual coaching. It sounds like he helped mostly through emotional/mental support
Do you have a link? Or is this just your opinion?
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 9:21 pm to chattabama
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Do you have a link? Or is this just your opinion?
From reading the quotes you just posted there is no mention of Kiffin doing any coaching. As I said, based on the quotes it sounds like he was very good and effective at giving moral support.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 9:22 pm to adammwilson
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haha ok? That proves nothing. I can accuse you of rape but it doesn't make it true.
I guess you also believe that Cam Newton went to Auburn out of the goodness of his heart instead of getting paid. The 180k was never proven either. Most still believe he was paid anyway.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 9:23 pm to adammwilson
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From reading the quotes you just posted there is no mention of Kiffin doing any coaching. As I said, based on the quotes it sounds like he was very good and effective at giving moral support.
Crompton wasn't asked about what Kiffin did. He was only asked about how he felt about his work. You are asserting that Kiffin did not work with Crompton. Do you have a link for that assertion?
Posted on 3/10/14 at 9:29 pm to chattabama
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I guess you also believe that Cam Newton went to Auburn out of the goodness of his heart instead of getting paid. The 180k was never proven either. Most still believe he was paid anyway.
There is much more evidence that Cam got paid (including Miss St. admitting they tried) than the allegations at OK state from players that were told to kick rocks.
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Crompton wasn't asked about what Kiffin did. He was only asked about how he felt about his work. You are asserting that Kiffin did not work with Crompton. Do you have a link for that assertion?
Yeah. Kiffin has absolutely no experience working with QB's and Tenn. already had a QB coach in David Reaves. To anyone that wanted to minimize his coaching they obviously don't know much. Dude has a legit resume as a D1 coach. Played QB in college. Coached at South Carolina, Tenn., New Mexico, and USF.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 9:38 pm to adammwilson
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Yeah. Kiffin has absolutely no experience working with QB's and Tenn. already had a QB coach in David Reaves. To anyone that wanted to minimize his coaching they obviously don't know much. Dude has a legit resume as a D1 coach. Played QB in college. Coached at South Carolina, Tenn., New Mexico, and USF.
I still don't see where that's proof that Kiffin didn't work with Crompton. Sure Kiffin had a QB coach in David Reaves just like Nick Saban had a secondary coach in Greg Brown. That doesn't mean Reaves was responsible for Crompton's success any more than Greg Brown was the mastermind behind Bama's secondary.
What you are doing is discrediting Kiffin because he has had some failures in the past. I admit he is a terrible head coach, but I think it's too early to judge him as a coordinator.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 9:46 pm to chattabama
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I still don't see where that's proof that Kiffin didn't work with Crompton. Sure Kiffin had a QB coach in David Reaves just like Nick Saban had a secondary coach in Greg Brown. That doesn't mean Reaves was responsible for Crompton's success any more than Greg Brown was the mastermind behind Bama's secondary.
Terrible comparison. We, as fans, know Saban has experience in the secondary (both as a player and coach). It's well known he still works daily with his DB's. The same absolutely cannot be said of Kiffin.
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What you are doing is discrediting Kiffin because he has had some failures in the past. I admit he is a terrible head coach, but I think it's too early to judge him as a coordinator.
I'm simply saying he has no experience as a QB's coach. I've heard/seen terrible things from him as an OC while he was at USC as well.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 9:50 pm to adammwilson
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The same absolutely cannot be said of Kiffin.
Similarly, it cannot absolutely be said that he did not work with the quarterbacks.
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I've heard/seen terrible things from him as an OC while he was at USC as well.
Link?
Posted on 3/10/14 at 9:51 pm to chattabama
I want to hear more about Les and okie state from chattabama...he's got all the deetz!
Posted on 3/10/14 at 9:52 pm to gismap
You saw all of the deets. Let me guess though. You believe that Les Miles would never do that.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 9:55 pm to chattabama
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Posted by chattabama You saw all of the deets. Let me guess though. You believe that Les Miles would never do that.
Lolz, you want it so bad to act like it affects something. Poor thing :(
Posted on 3/10/14 at 9:57 pm to gismap
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Lolz, you want it so bad to act like it affects something. Poor thing :(
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:22 pm to chattabama
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Similarly, it cannot absolutely be said that he did not work with the quarterbacks.
It can for every job other than when he was at Tenn.
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Benjamin Allbright ?@AllbrightNFL Jan 10
Kiffin will be fine at Alabama as OC, provided he has no input in QB recruiting. Ran off Tajh Boyd & Bryce Petty, both Tennessee commits.
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Ty Hildenbrandt ?@tyhildenbrandt Jan 10 What empirical evidence does anyone have that Kiffin is a good OC? Wasn’t the joke that Sark called the plays while Kiffin got the coffee?
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I think we can both agree he was horrible at USC as HC and didn't he call plays at USC?
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This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:38 pm to adammwilson
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Kiffin will be fine at Alabama as OC, provided he has no input in QB recruiting. Ran off Tajh Boyd & Bryce Petty, both Tennessee commits
So in one year he made a mistake at qb recruiting. He also recruited Max Browne for USC, but that doesn't fit your mold of failure so you can conveniently leave that one out. Saban also supposedly ran off Drew Brees. I suppose he will never be successful at managing a roster.
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I think we can both agree he was horrible at USC as HC and didn't he call plays at USC?
Perhaps his play calling and game plans at USC suffered because he was having to devote time to other things that he was ill-equipped to do such as running an entire program, managing assistants, etc.
I'll use an illustration from college. I was told that I was a very good writer, and I received several compliments for my writing from both professors and fellow students. The quality of my papers, however, suffered the semester that I decided to take twenty hours. I was still a good writer, but I no longer had the time to dedicate to perfecting my papers. I had to balance many other responsibilities, and as a result the quality of my work suffered as well as my grades. Similarly, perhaps Kiffin's game plans struggled because of his other responsibilities that had nothing to do with running an offense.
I understand that you are skeptical, but I've seen two relative nobodies come in and be pretty successful running Bama's offense. Nuss was a clipboard holder, and McElwain was a complete unknown. Both offensive coordinators left Bama with championship rings. I'm confident that Kiffin can do the same.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:43 pm to adammwilson
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InsideUSC ?@InsideUSC Feb 26 Kiffin did not follow this: ``It's about driving to be the best you can be. To strive for, not against something,'' Pete Carroll said #USC
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InsideUSC ?@InsideUSC Feb 26 Not Kiffin? ``I tried to get the administration to guarantee (Sarkisian) would be the next coach if I was leaving,'' Pete Carroll said #USC
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Thomas Melton ?@TMeltonScouting Feb 20 Forgot to mention this when Lane Kiffin got hired at Alabama, but Bama fans should be ready for a bunch of screens on 3rd and long lol.
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Dan Wolken ?@DanWolken Jan 25 If you want to defend Kiffin, fine but "getting Jonathan Crompton drafted" is silly. I don't think he ever played a down in the NFL.
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Dan Wolken ?@DanWolken Jan 25 Have to wonder if Kiffin's shaky track record with QBs has anything to do with 5-star recruit Ricky Town decommitting from Alabama today.
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InsideUSC ?@InsideUSC Jan 25 Lane Kiffin effect? QB Ricky Town decommits from Alabama. Visited #USC last weekend
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RGTree ?@BeauxJaxson Jan 10 I have always really liked the design of Lane Kiffin's offense. Ambivalent about his actual playcalling.
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Dan Wolken ?@DanWolken Jan 10 Saban forgot more about football this morning than I’ve ever known, but I must have missed the evidence Kiffin is a great offensive mind.
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Pete Prisco ?@PriscoCBS Jan 10 When does Lane Kiffin crap out the horseshoe in his arse?
That's just since January. Could go further back.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:47 pm to chattabama
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So in one year he made a mistake at qb recruiting.
Wasn't just one year. You going to leave out most of his QB recruiting at USC?
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Similarly, perhaps Kiffin's game plans struggled because of his other responsibilities that had nothing to do with running an offense.
I can buy that and I have a lot of faith in Nick Saban, obviously.
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Both offensive coordinators left Bama with championship rings. I'm confident that Kiffin can do the same.
Do they have the ego he does? Do they have an unproven track record with QB's, save Crompton allegedly? The history as a bad playcaller?
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:49 pm to adammwilson
A lot of opinions on Lane Kiffin. That is to be expected.
I'll bookmark this thread, and we can revisit it after the season.
Again, I don't see how this is any worse than hiring McElwain or Nussmeier. If I had told you back in 2007 that we were hiring Jim McElwain as OC, would you have been able to tell me anything about him? What about if I told you back in 2010 that we were going to hire Doug Nussmeier, what would the consensus have been? "Who? Isn't that the guy that holds the clipboard for Sark?"
I'll bookmark this thread, and we can revisit it after the season.
Again, I don't see how this is any worse than hiring McElwain or Nussmeier. If I had told you back in 2007 that we were hiring Jim McElwain as OC, would you have been able to tell me anything about him? What about if I told you back in 2010 that we were going to hire Doug Nussmeier, what would the consensus have been? "Who? Isn't that the guy that holds the clipboard for Sark?"
Posted on 3/10/14 at 10:54 pm to adammwilson
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Do they have an unproven track record with QB's, save Crompton allegedly? The history as a bad playcaller
Name the quarterback that Jim McElwain developed before coming to Bama. I'll wait. Nuss had Jake Locker, and even that was under Sark. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for qb development in either case. It's Saban's offense even when Kiffin runs it. Sure, Kiffin is immature, but I think he will mature greatly under CNS.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 11:04 pm to chattabama
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we can revisit it after the season.
That's fair. Like I said I'm a huge Saban fan so I trust him.
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I don't see how this is any worse than hiring McElwain or Nussmeier.
No experience is better than negative.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 11:21 pm to chattabama
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Name the quarterback that Jim McElwain developed before coming to Bama.
Regardless of elite success they have experience doing it, something Kiffin doesn't.
McElwain:
Tom Brandstater (played for a list of teams in the NFL spanning over 4 years)
Nuss:
Drew Stanton (over 7 years in the NFL. Still in the league)
Jeff Smoker (3 years in the NFL)
Tom Brandstater
Jake Locker
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