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re: Just how bad was Jim McElwain's recruiting at Florida?
Posted on 12/24/17 at 3:55 pm to Muthsera
Posted on 12/24/17 at 3:55 pm to Muthsera
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but he simply did not have the temperament for a rebuild
He wanted to be a CEO, he did not want to actually beat the street and he didn't hire the right personnel to ride it out like that.
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I thought Muschamp had the temperament for it, but he was just a bad fricking coach. Thought winning in spite of his offense would toughen up the team - stubborn and stupid. Refused to develop Brissett or bring in a coach to develop him, just stuck with the more mobile handoff machine in Driskel - stubborn and stupid. Micromanaged his entire staff and refused to invest in competent offensive coaches or recruiters - stubborn and stupid. WE HAD A GA COACHING WRS FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR! I've never seen such mind-numbing incompetence, he was so far in over his head. Most of it can be attributed to inexperience though, and I think he could go on to be relatively successful at USC. Christ knows he appears to care more about offense there.
That's the point, too. I'm not arguing with TJ and saying McElwain isn't a bad coach -- he was a very bad coach for us, but the difference is Muschamp had incredible recruiting classes -- one of the best of all time, and just flat out failed to actually make it work.
TJ just said that we didn't have a stud QB left over -- well Driskel was #1 in the country, Brissett is starting on his team. He had QBs, he had RBs, he had WRs he had a whole team that had been managed pretty well.
Fastforward to McElwain, there's no Oline, his one serviceable quarterback tested hot for PEDs, there's no kicker, our WRs over the past few years were lightyears ahead of Muschamp's.
He had the defense where it needed to be (even though his defenses regularly, weirdly, got destroyed) recruiting-wise, but the offensive side of the ball was atrocious.
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Posted on 12/25/17 at 6:56 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Jeff Driskel was signed by WM in his 1st class. I was refuting your claim that the 2010 class was "great". Keep moving the goal posts.
Posted on 12/25/17 at 7:21 pm to TJGator1215
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Jeff Driskel was signed by WM in his 1st class. I was refuting your claim that the 2010 class was "great". Keep moving the goal posts
You're conflating two things that I wasn't connecting, I never said he was in the 2010 class (if that's what you're suggesting as well), but the 2010 class on paper was outstanding. In fact, it was the best class of all time points wise.
That Muschamp literally couldn't churn out a decent team with that kind of talent -- let's not even say churn out, let's just say that he could have several top 5 classes in a very short time period and still lose to an FCS is by far worse than anything you've posited thus far for McElwain.
There is literally no excuse that Florida can win a Championship in 2008, have a 10 win Sugar Bowl in 2009 and in four short years lose to an FCS at home who had 19 scholarship players injured.
Literally, he had the #1 class (of all time points wise), #11 and #3 before dropping a game to a team in a lesser division.
Keep defending Muschamp because you just hate McElwain.
This post was edited on 12/25/17 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 12/26/17 at 1:41 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
They're both crappy coaches but WM>Mac
Posted on 12/26/17 at 6:32 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Muschamp was decidedly worse. He took the 2010 class that had five 5*s and seventeen 4*s (14 top 100 players) with a .9399 rating and lost to fricking Georgia Southern in 2013, brother.
Straws...your hatred of Muschamp has no limits and we went back and forth on this years ago. Boom HAD to cleanup the freaking locker room mess that Urban left and the bad recruiting foundation he left. Boom did recruit well.
First year we were soft as Charmin...but in 2012 he put together a great defense and had us # 2 in BCS standings before we lost in a close game to UGA. 2013 that you keep pointing out as an indictment of Boom saw the absolute worse injury list I have ever seen. We had 9 starters who were out for the year pronto and the QB Driskel injured and out for the year in the third or fourth game.
Straws....we were on our third string QB by the end of the year...a true frosh named Skyler Morningweg who had no business taking a snap. We took 59 players on the plane to Columbia SC Straws...that included walk ons so we could have a special teams. Against Ga Southern we had NO fricking LBers...started a walk on for his first live action, a true frosh LB who we had hoped to RS and a QB who never should have been starting. We had so many injuries it wasn't funny.
2014? That was on Boom. He just couldn't field a good offense.
Posted on 12/26/17 at 6:44 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Indeed the East was down, not as bad as it was this year, but down nonetheless. Difference is he did it without all of the upperclassman help to lean on because there was none.
Well, a couple of days ago you told us we won the East when it was at it's worst. (This year) You also keep saying Kirby isn't good and is only winning because of all the upper classmen we have on the roster this year. They will be gone next year.
Since you did not have upperclassmen to work on then, you should now, so I am guessing you predict an East domination by the Gators next year? I mean, Kirby isn't good according to you, and we lose all of our upperclassmen, so we should fail miserably, right?
Posted on 12/26/17 at 1:12 pm to DawgsLife
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Well, a couple of days ago you told us we won the East when it was at it's worst. (This year) You also keep saying Kirby isn't good and is only winning because of all the upper classmen we have on the roster this year. They will be gone next year.
Since you did not have upperclassmen to work on then, you should now, so I am guessing you predict an East domination by the Gators next year? I mean, Kirby isn't good according to you, and we lose all of our upperclassmen, so we should fail miserably, right?
Ehh, that's a bit of a stretch and some serious flaw in logic. I think you guys will absolutely take a step back on defense.
I also think you will take a step back on offense without Michel or Chubb, and you guys are vastly underestimating their contribution to the team.
That being said, we're in a transition year, so I don't predicte ''domination'', and barring losing 12 players before the season starts, we should have a chance to win the East.
Posted on 12/26/17 at 1:21 pm to reel_gator8
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Straws...your hatred of Muschamp has no limits and we went back and forth on this years ago. Boom HAD to cleanup the freaking locker room mess that Urban left and the bad recruiting foundation he left. Boom did recruit well.
This is insufferable that we think that he had some mountain to climb. He took over a team that in two years had gone 21 - 6 and left McElwain a team that went 11 - 13.
McElwain took that same 11 - 13 team and went 20 - 8. He is demonstrably a better HC than Muschamp, it's not even a remotely close comparison. Even without the best players on the field this year he lost to LSU by one and A&M by two. Muschamp loses his players and gets 400 yards of rushing yards from an FCS.
Posted on 12/26/17 at 2:21 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Indeed the East was down, not as bad as it was this year,
How can you say this when a team from the SEC East won the SEC Championship? This is the first time it happened since '08.
Posted on 12/26/17 at 2:33 pm to ZeusStamos
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How can you say this when a team from the SEC East won the SEC Championship? This is the first time it happened since '08.
One great team. Look at the East vs West record. The East is down.
Posted on 12/26/17 at 3:06 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
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One great team. Look at the East vs West record. The East is down.
Our champion went 1 - 1 against the West in the regular season.
SC went 1 - 1 (Against Arkansas)
Kentucky 0 - 2
Mizzou 1 - 1 (Against Arkansas lol)
Florida 0 - 2
Vanderbilt 0 - 2
Tennessee 0 - 2
SEC East went 3 - 11. If you subtract Arkansas it's 1 - 11
2008:
Florida 1 - 1* (Vacated win)
Georgia 1 - 1
Vanderbilt 1 - 1 (3 point loss to MSU)
SC 1 - 1
Tennessee 1 - 1
Kentucky 1 - 1
6 - 6 is much better than 3 - 11.
Posted on 12/26/17 at 5:59 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
One great team in 2008 and 2017.
Posted on 12/26/17 at 7:05 pm to djsdawg
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One great team in 2008 and 2017.
Yeah, but Florida actually had to play more than 2 games in their entire schedule in a division that at least broke even with the rival division, oh and we won it all. You guys still have to do that this year.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:50 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Florida had the number 2 overall SOS I believe that year. And its average MOV set SEC records in conference play.
There is no comparison to 2017 Georgia and 2008 UF. 2008 UF is hands down better.
There is no comparison to 2017 Georgia and 2008 UF. 2008 UF is hands down better.
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