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Posted on 2/15/15 at 12:49 pm to cas4t
Ok I'm sorry Odell Beckham and Landry made him look decent. What did he do? Take y'all to the capital one bowl? Thats not good enough for y'all.
Posted on 2/15/15 at 12:53 pm to MSrising
He is a current NFL starter.
And if we are going to group QBs with team accomplishments, the best Eli did was win an Independence bowl and a Sugar Bowl. Best record was 10-3. Yet he will be an NFL hall of famer. See my point?
And if we are going to group QBs with team accomplishments, the best Eli did was win an Independence bowl and a Sugar Bowl. Best record was 10-3. Yet he will be an NFL hall of famer. See my point?
Posted on 2/15/15 at 12:56 pm to MSrising
Go check the LSU 2013 defensive stats if you'd like to have a real conversation about those specific years. Until then, you will continue to come across as a casual fan who pretends to know SEC football.
Posted on 2/15/15 at 12:59 pm to cas4t
He is the qb for the Titans and he sucked. He won't be the starter next year. Eli isn't a NFL Hall of Famer and he didn't win the sugar bowl. It was the Cotton. Eli was 10 times better qb that mettenberger but if he had odell and landry to throw to we would have been the best team in the country. Eli made a bunch of average receivers look great. See my point?
Posted on 2/15/15 at 1:00 pm to MSrising
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Ok I'm sorry Odell Beckham and Landry made him look decent. What did he do?
Stupidity is one thing, but displaying it publicly for everyone's amusement is another level.
Posted on 2/15/15 at 1:07 pm to MSrising
Meant to say Cotton vs OSU. And Eli will be a hall of famer IMO. And of course Eli was 10 x the QB as Mett, that was my point. You're comparing team accomplishments with individuals. Mett threw for over 3000 yards his senior year. You couldn't just plug any QB in and expect those results jut because he had great WRs. Also, the argument of who you're throwing it to in college is such a fallacy. You can't fault a player because he plays on a good team.
Let's revisit your theory that he was developed by Georgia. Who was his QB coach at Georgia and what evidence do you have to back up this claim? I can provide stata that clearly show a drastic improvement once he had a year under Cam Cameron. If you're going to say he was developed by UGA, even though he spent barely a season there, then back it up with some evidence. I'm rational.
Let's revisit your theory that he was developed by Georgia. Who was his QB coach at Georgia and what evidence do you have to back up this claim? I can provide stata that clearly show a drastic improvement once he had a year under Cam Cameron. If you're going to say he was developed by UGA, even though he spent barely a season there, then back it up with some evidence. I'm rational.
Posted on 2/15/15 at 1:10 pm to MSrising
Do you consider Eli as an average college QB since the best results OM had as a team was 10-3? Or is that more reasonable because you don't expect as much from OM a you would LSU? It has to be one or the other, right?
Mett threw for 2600 yards as a junior and over 3000 as a senior. Eli went 2900 and 3600. Eli was better, of course, but Mett put up great numbers.
Mett threw for 2600 yards as a junior and over 3000 as a senior. Eli went 2900 and 3600. Eli was better, of course, but Mett put up great numbers.
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Posted on 2/15/15 at 1:23 pm to MSrising
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He is the qb for the Titans and he sucked. He won't be the starter next year. Eli isn't a NFL Hall of Famer and he didn't win the sugar bowl. It was the Cotton. Eli was 10 times better qb that mettenberger but if he had odell and landry to throw to we would have been the best team in the country. Eli made a bunch of average receivers look great. See my point?
If you're trying to get anyone to say Mett was better than Eli, it isn't happening. If you're trying to get anyone to agree with you that Mett was an average QB, you're a moron.
Posted on 2/15/15 at 1:23 pm to cas4t
Of course Ole Miss doesn't expect as much as LSU. Look at facilities and salaries. The money and large enough fan base just isn't there. Ole Miss doesn't expect to go the national championship like y'all do (but y'all don't 
) But i think we are on the right path to become a program like LSU is and to win at a high level like LSU is known to do. Eli was a great college qb but he didn't have the pieces like mettenberger had. The Georgia thing was just to troll but if you think mettengber was an elite college qb you are delusional
) But i think we are on the right path to become a program like LSU is and to win at a high level like LSU is known to do. Eli was a great college qb but he didn't have the pieces like mettenberger had. The Georgia thing was just to troll but if you think mettengber was an elite college qb you are delusional
Posted on 2/15/15 at 1:26 pm to cas4t
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Mett threw for 2600 yards as a junior and over 3000 as a senior. Eli went 2900 and 3600. Eli was better, of course, but Mett put up great numbers.
how many NFL WRs did each have to throw to?
Posted on 2/15/15 at 1:38 pm to MSrising
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but if you think mettengber was an elite college qb you are delusional
Considering the offense LSU runs, he was. Eli attepted 140 more passes his last season than Zach, and Mett had better stats in almost every other category.
Posted on 2/15/15 at 1:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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RogerTheShrubber
How many more days do you plan to melt?
Posted on 2/15/15 at 1:47 pm to cas4t
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casual fan who pretends to know SEC football.
Overwhelming majority of SEC fans are myopic, and bandwagon.
Posted on 2/15/15 at 4:18 pm to public_enemy
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If you think Bo Wallace counts as a super developed world beater, you are great mistaken.
No one said he was, not even sure why this is an argument. All I was stating was that Freeze has developed one QB in his time at Ole Miss. A QB that was in a position battle with Barry Brunetti and Randall Mackey. You realize Bo had the nickname "Bad Bo" because he was a pretty good QB when he wasn't "Bad Bo," right? I don't see y'all running jokes about the QB's of Arkansas/Kentucky/Vandy(#LSUtransferQB)/etc. Why is that? Oh, because they suck. Bo was a 2* QB out of high school that Freeze tried to run off the team.
Long story, short...he turned a kid nobody wanted into Ole Miss' winningest QB of all-time. He did that behind a disastrous OL and pathetic RB group(minus the 150 lb Walton).
This isn't an argument, it's a fact. Regardless of whatever dumbass nickname you want to give Bo, Ole Miss is still bowl game-less, Nkemdiche/Treadwell/Tunsil-less without Bo. No one expected much, if anything, of Bo when he signed...He won 24 games in three years, had LSU fans rushing the field after a 3 point win, won two bowl games, beat every SEC West team. Freeze is 1/1 in development.
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Just because he was top 10 in yardage doesn't mean anything. Remember Case keenum? How about Timmy Chang?
How fricking stupid are you? I'll make this one short...how conferences did Case and Chang play in? Could be wrong, but don't think it was the SECWest.
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When the pressure was on Wallace. He mostly turned into "bad bo"
Please provide facts other than one throw. He sure looked good in the pressure moments against Alabama. He sure looked good 2013 against LSU. He sure looked good when 110k A&M fans were loud as hell in the early moments of the A&M game this year and we were starting on our own 1 yard line. He sure looked good in the second half of the Boise game when the pressure was in full force. He sure looked good against Texas in 2013. He looked fantastic against Arkansas his first two years. Also, two of the three against MSU.
Every player makes "bad plays." Bo tried to make a game winning play against LSU. He thought he had it. I don't hate him for it. What he did for this program, he deserved the chance. Also, not to mention we only kicked 16 field goals all year for a reason.
Posted on 2/15/15 at 4:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Considering the offense LSU runs, he was. Eli attepted 140 more passes his last season than Zach, and Mett had better stats in almost every other category.
QB A:
Jarvis Landry
Odell Beckham Jr
QB B:
Chris Collins
Bill Flowers
El oh fricking el.
Posted on 2/15/15 at 7:23 pm to REBEL5 AC
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QB A:
Jarvis Landry
Odell Beckham Jr
QB B:
Chris Collins
Bill Flowers
El oh fricking el.
Did you also factor in the offensive line, humidity, temperatures, wind...while you're trying to spin things?
If Mett had attempted as many throws as Eli, he would have had over 4,000 yards. LSU runs a much different system.
Posted on 2/15/15 at 8:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Exactly so why would any quarterback want to play at LSU when your system doesn't allow the quarterback to throw more?
Thats the point of this thread. LSU runs the ball and controls the clock, quarterback is treated as an after thought. And that will remain the case as long as les is running the show.
Thats the point of this thread. LSU runs the ball and controls the clock, quarterback is treated as an after thought. And that will remain the case as long as les is running the show.
Posted on 2/15/15 at 8:56 pm to HailFreezusOver
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Exactly so why would any quarterback want to play at LSU when your system doesn't allow the quarterback to throw more?
Thats the point of this thread. LSU runs the ball and controls the clock, quarterback is treated as an after thought. And that will remain the case as long as les is running the show.
Shea fits what Ole Miss wants to do more than LSU. Franks fits with what LSU wants to do better than Shea.
The QB isn't treated as an afterthought, Mett threw for 5,600 yards in two years. It's just not a pass happy offense.
Posted on 2/15/15 at 9:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Shea fits what Ole Miss wants to do more than LSU. Franks fits with what LSU wants to do better than Shea
This is accurate.
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