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re: When's the next time Vandy beats UGA, UF, and UT in same year?
Posted on 12/6/13 at 4:15 pm to Nicolae
Posted on 12/6/13 at 4:15 pm to Nicolae
Yes im back. Been a while sinc i lost the Ole Piss ban bet but seasons over. This topic makes me chuckle. Heres why: When Vandy was "the most dominate team in the south" what was going on? Wide spread poverty and hardship. What was important then? EDUCATION!(Note Harvard,Yale etc football during those times) Since then there has been a real decline in the perception of the need to get a GOOD education in our country because we owned everything. Any HS edu could provide for ones family hell even none. Where are we today? Do yall honestly thik Stanford,Vandy,NW,Duke,Baylor are all getting better because people are down? Think about it real hard if you dont get what im saying. May take 3-4+ times for some of you.
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Posted on 12/6/13 at 4:16 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 12/6/13 at 4:21 pm to DevellionDore
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Posted on 12/6/13 at 4:24 pm to Othello
Then again, every time you say Vandy only beat all 3 because they were down, you are insinuating that it will only count when all 3 are ranked. A team that does that is probably in SEC championship talks or higher.
And why do traditional losers and winners have to stay that way? The Roman Empire was once the undisputed champ
And why do traditional losers and winners have to stay that way? The Roman Empire was once the undisputed champ
Posted on 12/6/13 at 4:28 pm to blackoutdore
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The Roman Empire was once the undisputed champ
Well, we win the "most distant historical reference" on this one and live up to our "nerd" status in one fell swoop.
See, I think they're just afraid to admit that a team full of players who could be future doctors and lawyers and educators might actually be able to consistently hang with them. That just does not sound manly.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 4:36 pm to Aux Arc
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I can see Vandy doing in the SEC what Baylor has done in the Big(number). They used to be an auto-win on the schedule. I'll never forget a few years ago when I had to listen to Baylor v. Mizzou on the radio because it didn't warrant a TV spot and listening in astonishment when Baylor beat Mizzou. It was embarrassing to lose to Baylor back then. Now, just a few years later it's normal for them to win 8-10 games.
The problem for Vanderbilt is sustainability. The SEC is a much tougher conference for a school like Vanderbilt to build a consistent record of winning in. They're also very much space/facilities limited due to being in Nashville and have to compete with not just UT and Titans fans everywhere they look but also the fact that there's more to do in Nashville than most other college towns.
The university itself will also only go so far in support -- academics and academic facilities will always come first things like parking lots and dorms second and anything sports related wayyyyy further down and again with space limitations they can't really devote as much to football as most other schools even if they chose to.
Despite their W-L records, Vandy has never been all that horrible but they've suffered for playing in the SEC where the schools were a whole lot better than most other conferences. Put them in a weaker conference even when they were only getting 2 wins a year and their record would be different. If their AD had smartened up and changed their OOC schedule two decades ago instead of more recently them getting to a bowl wouldn't be a shock to anyone. And they should be able to maintain that with a decent coach.
However, becoming a regular threat in the SEC is a much steeper climb for a multitude of reasons. And a lot of those reasons are things that can't really be changed, only mitigated to some degree. If Franklin leaves it will be more out of frustration that success can't bring all of the structural changes he wants or needs to sustain winning - not money or even greener pastures.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 4:40 pm to DoreonthePlains
Well sir i shall tell you. The problem is most VU alumn feel it is beneath them to follow football when they can service the world being
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grammar police
Posted on 12/6/13 at 4:45 pm to Prof
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However, becoming a regular threat in the SEC is a much steeper climb for a multitude of reasons. And a lot of those reasons are things that can't really be changed, only mitigated to some degree. If Franklin leaves it will be more out of frustration that success can't bring all of the structural changes he wants or needs to sustain winning - not money or even greener pastures.
It will be a very difficult challenge, but I think he is capable of achieving it. The "you're just here to boost the SEC's GPA" argument is finally being used to our advantage. If you can play competitive SEC football which Vandy has, even if attributed to downturns around them, AND get the Vanderbilt degree, why wouldn't you play there? As you said, Nashville has a lot of things for a college kid to enjoy also.
The administration APPEARS to be willing to put a high level of support behind the football program also. The fanbase and stadium issues are the biggest question marks. You're right that there is nowhere else to really go. Our stadium is relatively locked at its current size. They might be able to design additions to get capacity to 65,000. The issue now is getting people in seats. That has been Franklin's biggest frustration.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 4:48 pm to DevellionDore
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Well sir i shall tell you. The problem is most VU alumn feel it is beneath them to follow football when they can service the world being
grammar police
Please stop embarrassing the entire state by making our 'smart' school look dumb.
Damn.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 4:51 pm to KAVandy05
Did i threatin you? Im having a hard time locating this. Please, any assistance would be welcomed.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 4:55 pm to Prof
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Please stop embarrassing the entire state by making our 'smart' school look dumb.
Damn.
Now Devellion, see what you are making me do? You are making me agree with a Vol fan. This is entirely unacceptable. Get your act together. Just because others act like children doesn't mean you have to stoop to that level.
Also, the "threat" was when you said some VU fans need to die.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 5:04 pm to DoreonthePlains
Sadly, I must disagree. My statement in no way implied that I intend to bring harm to anyonye. It does however indicate that i would not be displeased should some members of the indicated fanbase "pass away". 
Posted on 12/6/13 at 5:17 pm to DevellionDore
Hope i didnt hurt your educated pride with that. 
Posted on 12/6/13 at 5:32 pm to DoreonthePlains
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It will be a very difficult challenge, but I think he is capable of achieving it. The "you're just here to boost the SEC's GPA" argument is finally being used to our advantage. If you can play competitive SEC football which Vandy has, even if attributed to downturns around them, AND get the Vanderbilt degree, why wouldn't you play there? As you said, Nashville has a lot of things for a college kid to enjoy also.
I think the degree is a great selling point for parents, especially for Mom, but I don't think the majority of football recruits care. I wish I could say otherwise. Unfortunately most of these kids think they're going pro and don't consider life after football. Others have been criminally hamstrung by K-12 schools, teachers, and fans that never gave a damn about them beyond football -- those kids honestly believe they can't succeed outside of football and that they're too dumb to be there or even learn. Once at university, academic support services often do the same thing 'helping them out with assignments' and they think their only job is to play ball but the early failure to instill confidence beyond sport is glaring and you'd be surprised at who is victimized by such failures. They don't try not because they feel entitled but because they don't believe they can learn. And it's not always the players you think. /academic rant before I get started on K-12 and regular non-student athletes...
But yes, Nashville is a great selling point, imo.
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The administration APPEARS to be willing to put a high level of support behind the football program also. The fanbase and stadium issues are the biggest question marks. You're right that there is nowhere else to really go. Our stadium is relatively locked at its current size. They might be able to design additions to get capacity to 65,000. The issue now is getting people in seats. That has been Franklin's biggest frustration
I have less faith in the administration but yes, I do agree Franklin's frustration with people not attending is pretty clear. I can't really blame him either. Attendance would be a sign of the community recognizing his and the team's achievement.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 5:48 pm to DoreonthePlains
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Now Devellion, see what you are making me do? You are making me agree with a Vol fan. This is entirely unacceptable. Get your act together. Just because others act like children doesn't mean you have to stoop to that level.
Also, the "threat" was when you said some VU fans need to die.
State law says we're allowed to agree in the off-season and in person. Keeps the lawmakers from stabbing each other during football season. Basketball season is also a mandated time of peace so that three grand divisions don't go to war over how great or not-so-great Memphis is versus us 'other' teams.
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