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re: Ryan Day still whining over "non-targeting" aka “Displaced Buckeye Sore Butthole thread”
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:43 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:43 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Helmet to helmet isn't the only indicator.
Correct, there is also crown of helmet, which was not used.
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They've also said they want to eliminate dangerous hits that injure players. Things like concussions.
They have specified the type of hits they want eliminated, which doesn’t include the hit in question.
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:44 pm to djsdawg
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Correct, there is also crown of helmet, which was not used.
There's more.
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They have specified the type of hits they want eliminated, which doesn’t include the hit in question.
Sure. And more broadly, they want injuries like this one minimized.
You're naive if you don't think this will be talked about and potentially addressed.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:54 pm to Long Dawg
Wasn’t targeting but did probably cost his team the game.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:09 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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There's more.
1. No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown of their helmet.
2. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder.
Targeting must involve one or the other.
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Sure. And more broadly, they want injuries like this one minimized.
They know they can’t completely eliminate such injuries, and they also don’t want flag football, which is what you are advocating for.
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you don't think this will be talked about and potentially addressed.
Maybe they will. I bet they would reach the same conclusion as discussed in the response directly above this one
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:10 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Weak.
I'm quite literally the first person who said that the night it happened.
Ok. Then explain how hitting a receiver while he is trying to catch the ball would be unnecessary roughness. Is there any logic to it at all? Receivers get hit while trying to catch the ball in every single game.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:13 pm to TS1926
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Wasn’t targeting but did probably cost his team the game.
Nobody knows this. You can't even say "probably". Was Harrison a good player? yes. But there is no way of knowing what he might have done the rest of the game. Nobody knows.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:29 pm to djsdawg
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Targeting must involve one or the other.
Well, here's what you said up to that point:
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If helmet to helmet or not is objective.
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Correct, there is also crown of helmet, which was not used.
Glad we got you there, though.
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They know they can’t completely eliminate such injuries, and they also don’t want flag football, which is what you are advocating for.
Sure, but that doesn't affect their decisions to attempt it.
And no, I'm not advocating for flag football. Don't be a fool.
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Maybe they will. I bet they would reach the same conclusion as discussed in the response directly above this one
They certainly will.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:30 pm to DawgsLife
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Ok. Then explain how hitting a receiver while he is trying to catch the ball would be unnecessary roughness. Is there any logic to it at all? Receivers get hit while trying to catch the ball in every single game.
No one said you can't hit the receiver.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:34 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Well, here's what you said up to that point:
Neither targeting rule was broken in the play.
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but that doesn't affect their decisions to attempt it.
Of course it does. They are trying to find the right balance. What you are advocating for, to flag a clean hit because it’s too hard, tips that too far in the direction of flag football.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:40 pm to djsdawg
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Neither targeting rule was broken in the play.
That’s one opinion.
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Of course it does.
No, it doesn't. They're not throwing their hands up, saying "well ya can't stop them all."
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clean hit
Another opinion.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:51 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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That’s one opinion.
The veracity of an opinion can vary greatly. From 0-100.
Hi def, slow mo, multiple angles Replay makes it easier to determine. Replay fixes mistakes or confirms good calls.
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No, it doesn't.
They tweak the rules year to year. At a certain point, there are no new rules to add while keeping the balance proper.
Come back when they make the “a clean hit too hard” rule. You expect that for the 2023 season? Do ya?
They did it rules for horse collars, hits to the head, crown hits, leg whips, and chop blocks, which are not difficult for a ref and replay to get right.
What you want added to this list wouldn’t be the same.
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Another opinion.
Replay didn’t see the crown used.
Replay didn’t see contact to the helmet.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:54 pm to djsdawg
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The veracity of an opinion can vary greatly. From 0-100.
Hi def, slow mo, multiple angles Replay makes it easier to determine. Replay fixes mistakes or confirms good calls.
And it's still an opinion.
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Come back when they make the “a clean hit too hard” rule.
They won't make a stupid rule like that, regardless of how you want to attempt frame my point. They'll evaluate and update as necessary. This hit will be included in that, whether you like it or not.
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Replay didn’t see the crown used.
Replay didn’t see contact to the helmet.
Sure. In their opinion.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:03 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
We should just end this with 42-41. Make your kick and UGA fans will come back to the 18 missed holding calls.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:12 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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And it's still an opinion.
A reasonable Opinion based on facts rather than a poor opinion based on hurt feelings or a poor understanding of the rules.
There is a major difference. Make no mistake.
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They won't make a stupid rule like that,
What rule would they make that wouldn’t be stupid? What phrasing? No shoulder hits?
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This hit will be included in that, whether you like it or not.
They will watch the HI DEF, SLOW MO, and MULTIPLE ANGLES replay and form an opinion?
Maybe if day cries enough.
A hard hit to the shoulder is simply not the kind of play that is going to lead to new rules being created.
What are you gonna do. Outlaw hits to the shoulder?
Unreasonable idea.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:20 pm to djsdawg
Somebody needs to tell him to give this up already! What is he hoping to accomplish? It’s a bad look and he should shut up about it..score more points and quit crying. He should be satisfied with the close loss and thankful Georgia played their C- game and not their A game..just my opinion
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:36 pm to JackTraven
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UGA fans will come back to the 18 missed holding calls
Ohio State was the recipient of the only holding penalty called all night, despite JT being mauled the entire game.
But sure, let's go through those.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:39 pm to djsdawg
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A reasonable Opinion
That's your...opinion.
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What rule would they make that wouldn’t be stupid? What phrasing? No shoulder hits?
Not up to either of us. I'm sure if it happens you'll complain about it.
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form an opinion
Correct. One opinion. The dude closest to the play had a different opinion.
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A hard hit to the shoulder
You see what you want to see.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:55 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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That's your...opinion.
An educated one rather than an emotional one.
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Not up to either of us. I'm sure if it happens you'll complain about it.
Ok, so you don’t think outlawing shoulder to shoulder is reasonable? Good. No one does.
With that off the list, You are clearly struggling to come up with any reasonable frame work.
I can’t either, so that makes two of us. No reason to think the rules committee could as well.
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The dude closest to the play had a different opinion.
He did. It was possibly highly flawed too. How so? Based on an instant moment that also involves other distractions, and with only one angle.
Replay is vastly superior, far less flawed.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:08 pm to djsdawg
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An educated one rather than an emotional one.
Sure, because you're entirely objective and neutral here...
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Ok, so you don’t think outlawing shoulder to shoulder is reasonable?
That was always your terrible take, not mine.
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He did.
Indeed.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:41 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Sure, because you're entirely objective and neutral here...
Simply applying the wording of the rules to HI DEF, SLOW MO, and MULTIPLE ANGLES replays. Just like an unbiased replay ref does.
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That was always your terrible take, not mine.
It is me attempting to describe your terrible take since you are struggling to describe what he did wrong.
If you don’t like the “shoulder to shoulder” phrasing, come up with something else to replace it.
What ya got instead? Do you prefer “hit too hard”?
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Indeed
He didn’t have the advantages of the replay ref:
HI DEF
SLOW MO
MULTIPLE ANGLES
The whole process worked out exactly how it is supposed to, with replay refs using all of their advantages to determine what happened on the play.
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