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Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:32 pm to crimsonian
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So you are giving Bama at least 12 then, since that is what the NCAA does recognize.
Again, the NCAA doesn't officially recognize any national champs.
Personally, I think 1925 and 26 are BS claims. Southern football wasn't what it was today back then. My guess is that the best Southern team in any given year would have been crushed by the best eastern and midwestern teams. Beating the best team on the west coast didn't mean a whole lot, as they were just like the South - weak.
In my opinion, the claims from the 30s are much more legit, although in 1930 you have to share with ND and in 34 you have to share with Minnesota.
The 1940 Bama NC is laughable. The 1978 NC is BS because USC beat Alabama on the field.
I'm not gonna call 64 and 65 BS, but Bama definitely reaped the benefit of the system changing temporarily for one year.
And that brings me to 64. Bama is the champs, but are the best team? No way in hell you can say that after losing the bowl game.
So how many championships SHOULD Bama have? Obviously this is a matter of opinion, but I would personally go with 10 (taking away 25, 26, 40, and 78). And of those 10, everyone knows there was a better team in at least one of those years.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:32 pm to USMC Gators
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USMC Gators
I'm afraid you don't know what you're talking about kid.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:33 pm to TxTiger82
Bama doesn't claim 1940.
78 is legit because it's a poll (AP/Coaches) title.
I guess I do know what I'm talking about.
78 is legit because it's a poll (AP/Coaches) title.
I guess I do know what I'm talking about.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:34 pm to USMC Gators
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While the NCAA has never officially endorsed an annual championship team, it has documented the choices of several selectors in the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:34 pm to TxTiger82
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Which was founded in 1936. See above post.
You understand that the team you say should win it claims Park Davis, which was also retroactively awarded, don't you?
And if you say Park Davis is legit, then what about Alabama's Park Davis awarded national title of 1930? Legit to you?
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:35 pm to USMC Gators
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78 is legit because it's a poll (AP/Coaches) title.
Maybe so, but you want to explain how they share the title with a team that beat them?
I didn't say they didn't win. They did. I said they shouldn't have won. They know this but have a hard time admitting it publicly.
Anyways, since when are you a Bama fan?
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:35 pm to TxTiger82
Why did you bring up 1940?
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:37 pm to FlukerFlakes
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Park Davis
Was not legit. I'm not basing my claims about 1925 on which selectors picked which team retroactively.
I'm basing my claims on what people thought at the time. Nobody outside of Alabama thought Alabama was the national champs at the time. That honor belonged to Dartmouth.
Certain organizations have gone back and looked at Alabama's record and said "Hey, they were the best." That's great, but it wasn't the prevailing sentiment at the time.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:38 pm to USMC Gators
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Why did you bring up 1940?
Clearly I meant 1941. I even referenced a "split" with Minnesota. It was a mistake.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:39 pm to TxTiger82
A split title is still a title.
Or do you not count 2003 for LSU?
Or do you not count 2003 for LSU?
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:39 pm to USMC Gators
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A split title is still a title.
True, but typically the teams that split didn't play on the field. Also, you seem to be arguing the same point - which is that they DID win. Again, I am not disputing that at all.
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Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:40 pm to TxTiger82
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Was not legit. I'm not basing my claims about 1925 on which selectors picked which team retroactively.
I'm basing my claims on what people thought at the time. Nobody outside of Alabama thought Alabama was the national champs at the time. That honor belonged to Dartmouth.
Oh so, you are just full of shite?
What are you? 120 years old?
And yes you were basing you claims on retroactive selectors. You specifically said Helms shouldn't be used since it was created after the fact.
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:41 pm to AUtigerNOLA
quote:so, "burn" means "truth"
Ohhhh sick burn bro.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:41 pm to FlukerFlakes
Dartmouth should've manned up and played in the Rose.
They didn't, so Bama gets the spoils.
They didn't, so Bama gets the spoils.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:43 pm to FlukerFlakes
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Oh so, you are just full of shite?
What are you? 120 years old?
People have done actual historical research on this. By that I mean going through archives and such, not looking at records and saying "Oh, they were undefeated."
Yeah? So was Boise State in 2006. Does that mean they should have been champs?
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:45 pm to USMC Gators
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Dartmouth should've manned up and played in the Rose.
It wasn't what it is today back then. The Rose was basically a game where the best team on the West coast invited the best team from around the country they could get to play.
You have to bear in mind that it took about a week to get there on the train. Dartmouth wasn't interested, because they were widely considered the "champs" already. They didn't feel the need to beat some second tier West coast team to prove it.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:46 pm to USMC Gators
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They didn't, so Bama gets the spoils.
What spoils? There were no spoils.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:47 pm to TxTiger82
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What spoils? There were no spoils.
So Southern California is wrong to claim a national title in 1931 and 1932 based off of the same standards used by Alabama?
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:48 pm to TxTiger82
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People have done actual historical research on this. By that I mean going through archives and such, not looking at records and saying "Oh, they were undefeated."
Yeah? So was Boise State in 2006. Does that mean they should have been champs?
That's a bad example because there's been a system in place that everyone agreed to play under to decide a champion since 1998.
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