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re: More quality in this Arkansas class than any before
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:18 am to thunderbird1100
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:18 am to thunderbird1100
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. I don't know why some Ark fans just cant admit this class is well below SEC standards.
I don't like the lack of high-end talent, but this class provides more quality depth than we have ever signed before. That isn't an opinion. It's simple fact.
No more Darren McFadden/Felix Jones and 18 Scruffy McGee's. This was a class about providing depth, not instant playing time, and the quality is higher than ever before.
This post was edited on 2/1/10 at 10:19 am
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Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:19 am to MRazorback
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I didnt like losing Armand Williams but it doesnt hurt that much
It doesn't... he's a project
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:22 am to woopiginaustin
I think you are right, Woopig. This class doesn't have a lot of flash but certainly has a lot of quality.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:22 am to thunderbird1100
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Sounds like more of a defense mechanism and not even defending the recruiting class this time. I don't know why some Ark fans just cant admit this class is well below SEC standards.
How can you evaluate players and a class before a year or two on the field? I don't get too excited one way or the other but those who think they can gauge a class before they actually show up on campus and have a chance to develop are just ignorant. I’ll wait for a couple of years to evaluate this class and you would be wise to do the same. Otherwise, some posters might get the wrong impression that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:23 am to pioneerbasketball
Uh no we wouldn't cause then you would have to bump up everyone Else's 5.7 3-stars to a 5.8 4-star.
That would give the SEC teams more 4 stars.
Alabama +5
Auburn +5
Flordia +3
Georgia +5
LSU +2
Ole Miss +4
Miss St +6
Tenn +3
Kentucky +1
USC(e) +4
Vandy +6
That would give the SEC teams more 4 stars.
Alabama +5
Auburn +5
Flordia +3
Georgia +5
LSU +2
Ole Miss +4
Miss St +6
Tenn +3
Kentucky +1
USC(e) +4
Vandy +6
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:24 am to Billy Mays
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he's a project
But some projects can be turned into great players. I think AW would have been one under Petrino.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:26 am to Choctaw Hog
Here is what Im getting at
*This was always going to be a small class aimed at depth, with most kids looking at redshirts.
*This is the highest quality class, using the Rivals point system, we've ever had.
*8 of 19 are 0.1 away from a 4 star rating.
*This was always going to be a small class aimed at depth, with most kids looking at redshirts.
*This is the highest quality class, using the Rivals point system, we've ever had.
*8 of 19 are 0.1 away from a 4 star rating.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:27 am to woopiginaustin
Last years class was 88% 5.6 or better. We had 31 commits with 24 of those 5.6 better.
24/31=88%
88% is better then 84%.
You do the math.
24/31=88%
88% is better then 84%.
You do the math.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:29 am to JoeJuice
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JoeJuice
24 of 31 were 5.6 or better
24 of 31 is 77%
This post was edited on 2/1/10 at 10:31 am
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:31 am to woopiginaustin
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*This was always going to be a small class aimed at depth, with most kids looking at redshirts.
Isn't every recruiting class aimed at adding depth?
We had just 24 commitments just the other day. Very weak argument.
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This is the highest quality class, using the Rivals point system, we've ever had.
Last years was. Do the math.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:33 am to JoeJuice
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JoeJuice
This post was edited on 2/1/10 at 10:36 am
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:33 am to woopiginaustin
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24 of 31 were 5.6 or better
24 of 31 is 77%
Your right, maybe I should do the math.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:34 am to woopiginaustin
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24 of 31 were 5.6 or better
24 of 31 is 77%
You just bitch-slapped Joe into next month. Joe, if you can't calculate simple math, don't try. You're just making yourself look uneducated and foolish trying to discuss subjects that are obviously over your head.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:36 am to woopiginaustin
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I tried to baby you at first but now you're lack of math skills are hurting our state's image.
Because of a simple math error I am hurting the state's image. Wow. I am pretty sure the individual's repeated desperate attempt to defend this class and seek others approval is hurting quite a bit more.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:39 am to JoeJuice
1) You don't have to post in this thread or any other thread if you find them to be beneath you
2) 16 of 19 (84%) being 5.6 or greater, with 8 of 19 being 0.1 away from a fourth star, puts this class as the highest quality class we have had since the beginning of Rivals ratings.
2) 16 of 19 (84%) being 5.6 or greater, with 8 of 19 being 0.1 away from a fourth star, puts this class as the highest quality class we have had since the beginning of Rivals ratings.
This post was edited on 2/1/10 at 10:40 am
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:44 am to thunderbird1100
I agree woopig.
The difference I see with Petrino's classes is that he goes out and makes the offers to the guys he needs, and every player seems to have been evaluated as an asset.
Not a Nutt flame (so don't take it as one) but the previous years it seemed like we'd throw out scholarships to random people as favors, and in-state kids who may not have been D-1 material who had no other D-1 offers. The classes we got a few big players were always very top-heavy.
There's always a method to what Petrino does.
I'm satisfied with our recruiting this year.
The difference I see with Petrino's classes is that he goes out and makes the offers to the guys he needs, and every player seems to have been evaluated as an asset.
Not a Nutt flame (so don't take it as one) but the previous years it seemed like we'd throw out scholarships to random people as favors, and in-state kids who may not have been D-1 material who had no other D-1 offers. The classes we got a few big players were always very top-heavy.
There's always a method to what Petrino does.
I'm satisfied with our recruiting this year.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:48 am to woopiginaustin
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puts this class as the highest quality class we have had since the beginning of Rivals ratings.
At all depends what information you want to use to make your argument.
Most people tend to use the avg star rating. By this you can say that this is the 3rd best class that we have had since 2002.
2009 3.29
2002 3.14
2010 3.00
2005 3.00
You can also make the argument that there are more 3 stars and less 2 stars now that what used to be.
The point is that people just need to quit trying to convince other SEC people that our class is better than it seems on paper. I am a firm believer of this. But it's just ridiculous, and I am sure other SEC fans would agree, that people keep trying to defend this class to other schools.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:48 am to wmr
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WMR
That's what I was trying to get at without sounding like I'm flaming Nutt. I don't care enough to flame him anymore.
With that said and out of the way, his classes were very top heavy and over 60% of each years class (see the numbers on page one) were below average 3 stars and 2 stars.
Petrino is currently looking at only 16% of his signees being "below average".
I find a lot of comfort in that.
This post was edited on 2/1/10 at 10:49 am
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:52 am to JoeJuice
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At all depends what information you want to use to make your argument. Most people tend to use the avg star rating. By this you can say that this is the 3rd best class that we have had since 2002. 2009 3.29 2002 3.14 2010 3.00 2005 3.00
Here is where we are not seeing eye to eye:
I am looking at the specific player ratings. 5.5, 5.6, 5.7, 5.8.........
By the "Above or below 5.6" measuring stick (5.6 being the commonly agreed upon average D1 prospect), this is the highest quality class yet.
You are looking at stars period. 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 are all the same in your discussion.
That's fine. As long as we know where we are coming from.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 10:56 am to woopiginaustin
From 2002-2008 Arkansas averaged the following per class.
.29 5-stars per class
4.14 4-stars per class
13.9 4-stars per class
7.43 2-stars per class
The last 2 years(Petrino's full 2 years) we have had
.5 5-stars
5 4-stars
19 3-stars
1 2-star
So yes the last 2 classes has contained an avg of 6.4 less 2-stars and 5 more 3-stars per class, which equates to a more balanced class from top-to-bottom.
.29 5-stars per class
4.14 4-stars per class
13.9 4-stars per class
7.43 2-stars per class
The last 2 years(Petrino's full 2 years) we have had
.5 5-stars
5 4-stars
19 3-stars
1 2-star
So yes the last 2 classes has contained an avg of 6.4 less 2-stars and 5 more 3-stars per class, which equates to a more balanced class from top-to-bottom.
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