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Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:30 am to BamaFan89
To get on Saban's current level you have to lose 3 games in the SEC and finish 4th in the West.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:31 am to SugarHog
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I don't believe that for a second. I completely believe that half the smack you talk about Arkansas is in retaliation for the stupid shite some of our fans post on here.
You are 100% incorrect.
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Correction my friend, we WERE middle of the pack. Just as Alabama was prior to hiring Saban, oh wait just as LSU was prior to hiring Saban. Just has a hiring changed those school's fortunes so to has the hiring of Petrino turned Arkansas. The FACT that you simply won't admit that the man is an excellent coach and will get Arkansas there, and in fact IS getting Arkansas there has led me to the conclusion that you are no more interested in having a real discussion about college football than that idiot Hogking is and so therefor this is the last time I will waste an effort on you.
#1 So of someone doesn't agree with you that BP will win an NC at Arkansas then they are just flaming and don't want to have a serious football conversation? Can you hear yourself?
#2 The talent in the state of Arkansas lags well behind that of the talent in Louisiana and Alabama, plus you have a smallish fan base/ relatively weak atmosphere and stadium presence as compared to big time SEC schools. These two factors have combined to make recruiting to Arkansas a very difficult task. That's why I think Arkansas won't win an NC anytime in the forseeable future.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:32 am to HogKing111
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To get on Saban's current level you have to lose 3 games in the SEC and finish 4th in the West
And still beat Arky at home while winning more SEC games in his first two years than Petrino has in three.
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Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:32 am to BamaFan89
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I understand your analogy and I think Petrino is a good coach but he is not on the level of Saban so I wouldn't expect too much too soon
I DO give Saban an edge, but only because I think that defense > offense in almost every instance. But I don't know if I'd call him a better coach. Better recruiter? Certainly would seem so, but that's not all there is to coaching, and as we continue to build the better recruits will come. They will have to or last season won't repeat itself. I get that.
I don't think Petrino is going to dominate the SEC like some of my stupid Hog brethren like to claim; but anyone who thinks he's not going to do better than Nutt did here is insane. and Nutt DID go to two SECCG while at Arkansas, so is it that insane to think that Petrino will do the same and actually win at least one of them; and we all know that it is likely that the SECCG winner goes to the BCSCG for the foreseeable future anyway.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:32 am to SugarHog
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oh wait just as LSU was prior to hiring Saban.
Contrary to your misguided opinion, LSU ranked 4th in the conference in all time wins and win percentage in its history...NOT middle of the pack as you allege. Try again
(Arky is ranked 6th in all time wins, and 7th in all time win percentage which is the definition of middle of the pack, btw)
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:34 am to Draconian Sanctions
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plus you have a smallish fan base/ relatively weak atmosphere and stadium presence
LSU's bigger fan base, better atmosphere, and "stadium presence" (whatever the hell that means) aren't going to throw TD passes for Jordan Jefferson or figure out a way to stop Wilson, Petrino, and Knile Davis from ripping your D to shreds.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:34 am to ibldprplgld
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LSU ranked 4th in the conference in all time wins and win percentage in its history.
We're not too far from running down Georgia and taking over #3 in both of those categories btw.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:35 am to ibldprplgld
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Contrary to your misguided opinion, LSU ranked 4th in the conference in all time wins and win percentage in its history...NOT middle of the pack as you allege. Try again
(Arky is ranked 6th in all time wins, and 7th in all time win percentage which is the definition of middle of the pack, btw)
Yeah HUGE difference between 4th and 6th in the SEC. All time yall are exactly 4% higher than us in winning percentage, which gets right back to my point earlier when I said the difference between good and great is not as much as yall would like to pretend. Seems I was laughed at.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:35 am to SugarHog
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But I don't know if I'd call him a better coach.
Many experts disagree with you
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Better recruiter? Certainly would seem so
Most decidedly so
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:35 am to HogKing111
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LSU's bigger fan base, better atmosphere, and "stadium presence" (whatever the hell that means) aren't going to throw TD passes for Jordan Jefferson or figure out a way to stop Wilson, Petrino, and Knile Davis from ripping your D to shreds.
So you really don't think Tiger Stadium helps LSU recruit? Really?
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:36 am to SugarHog
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I don't think Petrino is going to dominate the SEC like some of my stupid Hog brethren like to claim; but anyone who thinks he's not going to do better than Nutt did here is insane. and Nutt DID go to two SECCG while at Arkansas, so is it that insane to think that Petrino will do the same and actually win at least one of them; and we all know that it is likely that the SECCG winner goes to the BCSCG for the foreseeable future anyway.
Transitive property does not apply. The SEC is much, much improved from when Nutt was at Arky. I have never said Petrino is not a good coach, because he is. He's just not a Saban coach.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:37 am to Draconian Sanctions
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So you really don't think Tiger Stadium helps LSU recruit? Really?
Dude your stadium is a dump. Yes it has that aura about it, and yes the game time atmosphere is incredible, especially on a saturday night. But your stadium itself is a dump.
What gets you so many recruits is location. PERIOD.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:38 am to Draconian Sanctions
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So you really don't think Tiger Stadium helps LSU recruit? Really?
I didn't say that.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:38 am to SugarHog
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Yeah HUGE difference between 4th and 6th in the SEC. All time yall are exactly 4% higher than us in winning percentage, which gets right back to my point earlier when I said the difference between good and great is not as much as yall would like to pretend. Seems I was laughed at.
I really could give a damn what you did against Rice, Houston, Baylor and SMU prior to 1992. You haven't accomplished even close to what we have in this conference.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:39 am to HogKing111
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I didn't say that.
So did you completely miss the point or were you just willfully ignoring it?
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:41 am to SugarHog
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Dude your stadium is a dump. Yes it has that aura about it, and yes the game time atmosphere is incredible, especially on a saturday night. But your stadium itself is a dump.
What gets you so many recruits is location. PERIOD.
Then why do most of our recruits mention playing in Tiger Stadium as being one of the reasons they signed with us?
YOU may think it's s dump, but guess what? The players are on the field, not in the stands. That plays almost no role in their decision. They care about the facilities THEY use, all of which are state of the art at LSU.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:42 am to SugarHog
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Dude your stadium is a dump. Yes it has that aura about it, and yes the game time atmosphere is incredible, especially on a saturday night. But your stadium itself is a dump.
Give me a great atmosphere in a "dump" any day. You can fix up a stadium (if you think that's what is important and that's how you gauge the worth of your program).
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What gets you so many recruits is location. PERIOD.
That's only part of it. How then, by your assertion, has LSU been able to cherry pick players from TX, FL, and GA? Surely they aren't just hell bent on playing in LA and that by default is LSU. Get real. Miles and Staff recruit their asses off.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:43 am to ibldprplgld
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Transitive property does not apply. The SEC is much, much improved from when Nutt was at Arky. I have never said Petrino is not a good coach, because he is. He's just not a Saban coach.
Why ? Because he hasn't been at two fertile recruiting grounds in the SEC like Saban has? The guy won an Orange Bowl at fricking Louisville. Going 41-9 there during his tenure. You don't do that unless you can coach. Is he as good as Saban? Maybe not, but who the frick is, and you don't see Saban winning every year. Petrino > every coach in the SEC not named Saban, how's that. Now given that we obviously know Saban isn't going to win it every year, isn't it fair to state that Arkansas has a pretty good chance at winning one?
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:45 am to SugarHog
So Petrino is the 2nd best coach in the SEC despite never winning so much as an SEC West title? Are you drunk, stoned or just stupid?
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