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Posted on 4/10/10 at 9:16 am to Whereisomaha
Posted on 4/10/10 at 9:16 am to Whereisomaha
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our star qb turns into shite
I wonder what caused that? All Snead?
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Posted on 4/10/10 at 9:20 am to roody
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With Kent Austin, the root of the problem, out of the way, at least we can rest assured that the poor decision-making that plagued Snead is a thing of the past.
Is this your attempt at sarcasm? I may be wrong but wasn’t Austin also the QB Coach the year before when Snead did really well?
Posted on 4/10/10 at 9:23 am to SLC
People that got in the way of Jevan Snead and hindered his journey to the NFL:
Urban Meyer
Tim Tebow
Mack Brown
Greg Davis
Colt McCoy
Houston Nutt
Kent Austin
Urban Meyer
Tim Tebow
Mack Brown
Greg Davis
Colt McCoy
Houston Nutt
Kent Austin
Posted on 4/10/10 at 9:26 am to Choctaw Hog
Austin is their scapegoat for now. I challenge anyone to show me a true QB that Hootie has developed. He's a running game, ball control coach (nothing wrong with that unless you want to throw the ball more and have a great passing QB).
Posted on 4/10/10 at 9:28 am to Choctaw Hog
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Choctaw Hog
3 things I can count on: Death, Taxes, and the best poster on this board, ChocHog, being spot on with everything he posts.
You are so right friend, so damn right. I mean, who cares about recruiting rankings right?
Who cares that, in 2 years at OM, HDN has already brought in better classes than he did at Ark, right?
Who cares that Nutt has brought in better classes that the caveman did right?
Who cares that the big signees in those classes have actually shown up to campus, unlike the caveman's classes, right?
Who cares that there were numerous true freshman who made impacts on both sides of the ball and special teams last year right?
Thanks for the warning bro. Us Rebel fans need to realize that without O's recruit we will never compete. We should just hold open tryouts.
You the man Choctaw. I value and respect your opinion and thank you for gracing us with such wonderful insight.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 9:28 am to SLC
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Austin is their scapegoat for now.
Next it will be George Bush's fault.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 9:34 am to RebFeBrees
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3 things I can count on: Death, Taxes, and the best poster on this board, ChocHog, being spot on with everything he posts.
You are so right friend, so damn right. I mean, who cares about recruiting rankings right?
Who cares that, in 2 years at OM, HDN has already brought in better classes than he did at Ark, right?
Who cares that Nutt has brought in better classes that the caveman did right?
Who cares that the big signees in those classes have actually shown up to campus, unlike the caveman's classes, right?
Who cares that there were numerous true freshman who made impacts on both sides of the ball and special teams last year right?
Thanks for the warning bro. Us Rebel fans need to realize that without O's recruit we will never compete. We should just hold open tryouts.
You the man Choctaw. I value and respect your opinion and thank you for gracing us with such wonderful insight.
RebFeBrees, I know you are very sensitive about which direction your program is heading but why don't you stick to the discussion about QB development under Nutt?
I would be interested in knowing why you think all the QB's under Nutt regress. Can’t blame Hog QB woes under Nutt on Austin. If you think QB's improve and develop under Nutt please state your case. I would be really interested reading that.
And for what it's worth, I don't respect your opinion and insight. Your NuttLove blinds you.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 9:40 am to Choctaw Hog
In Nutt's tenure here, there is ONE QB who I wished had stayed here and developed to his full potential.
Granted, he realized he was not going to be able to reach that potential, so he transferred to get better coaching at a smaller school.
But, Tavaris Jackson throwing the rock to Matt Jones could have been lethal.
Granted, he realized he was not going to be able to reach that potential, so he transferred to get better coaching at a smaller school.
But, Tavaris Jackson throwing the rock to Matt Jones could have been lethal.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 9:47 am to Choctaw Hog
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RebFeBrees, I know you are very sensitive about which direction your program is heading but why don't you stick to the discussion about QB development under Nutt?
I would be interested in knowing why you think all the QB's under Nutt regress. Can’t blame Hog QB woes under Nutt on Austin. If you think QB's improve and develop under Nutt please state your case. I would be really interested reading that.
And for what it's worth, I don't respect your opinion and insight. Your NuttLove blinds you.
Ok so you make a comment about O's recruits leaving and tell ME to stick to the discussion of Nutt and qbs? what a joke.
But for the record, I haven't ever said that "it was all KA's fault", that's bullshite excuses. There were several factors to Snead's rapid downfall this past year. To name a few - inconsistency with his mechanics, early inexperience on OL, no deep threat, him shitting his pants when someone was bearing down on him etc. Did the coach/gameplanning have something to do with his struggles? Maybe, I don't know that for sure but it is always a possibility when you see a qb pressing as much as Snead was at times last season.
Is Nutt the Best qb coach in the country? of course not, yall's coach has that title remember?
Is Nutt a QB killer? I wouldn't say that either. At Arkansas, when he had talent at the position he used it and the times he didn't use it (Mustain but o wait, he wasn't talented and one of the most overhyped players I have ever seen) as much as the hoards would have liked it was because....wait for it...he is a better running game coordinator and had NFL backs in his backfield.
FTR I am not in love with Nutt, I think he is a very good coach and motivator and a class act. I also find it funny Ark fans are still obsessed with him, which this thread completely proves.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 9:58 am to RebFeBrees
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and a class act.
By the way, I don't 'obsess' over Nutt. But I do love how year 3 is generally considered to be a coaches measuring stick and Ole Miss is already in a 'rebuilding' phase and praying for an Independence invite.
Petrino took a scorched earth program and fell a game shy of a bowl, followed by 8 wins, followed by possibly anywhere in the 10 to 11 post-bowl range.
Meanwhile the "class act" took the best thing Ole Miss has had in quite some time and went to 2 straight Cotton Bowls, his Mecca by the way, and now in year 3, the universal measuring stick, the Ole Miss program is already dropping off.
If "I told you so" is 'obsessed', then I'm obsessed I suppose.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 10:05 am to RebFeBrees
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Ok so you make a comment about O's recruits leaving and tell ME to stick to the discussion of Nutt and qbs?
Fair enough. I thought you were referencing my response to Austin being the root of all Snead's problems. Let's discuss O's recruits and which direction the Rebel program is heading.
When a new coach comes into a program I contend that the third year is THE best indicator as to which direction a program is heading. Why? Because that will be the year when a coach has had time to get his own players in that have at least a year or two of experience in the new system. If you don’t agree with that assessment then please state your reasons why.
Now, if we are both in agreement that the third year is a good indicator as to which direction a program is heading then any fan would hope their team would be better in year three than they were in year one under a new coach. That’s only logical, isn’t it? I believe the Hogs will be much, much better this year than they were in Petrion’s first year because he is playing mostly with his players.
Do you think the Rebels will be much better this year than they were in 2008 or even 2009 for that matter? If not, why? Obviously, the Rebels are now rid of most of O’s recruits and have been replaced with Nutt’s recruits. If the Rebels have recruited as well as you say they have under Nutt then the talent level will only go up as will the wins. Right?
This post was edited on 4/10/10 at 10:08 am
Posted on 4/10/10 at 10:11 am to Choctaw Hog
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Fair enough. I thought you were referencing my response to Austin being the root of all Snead's problems. Let's discuss O's recruits and which direction the Rebel program is heading. When a new coach comes into a program I contend that the third year is THE best indicator as to which direction a program is heading. Why? Because that will be the year when a coach has had time to get his own players in that have at least a year or two of experience in the new system. If you don’t agree with that assessment then please state your reasons why. Now, if we are both in agreement that the third year is a good indicator as to which direction a program is heading then any fan would hope their team would be better in year three than they were in year one under a new coach. That’s only logical, isn’t it? I believe the Hogs will be much, much better this year than they were in Petrion’s first year because he is playing mostly with his players. Do you think the Rebels will be much better this year than they were in 2008 or even 2009 for that matter? If not, why? Obviously, the Rebels are now rid of most of O’s recruits and have been replaced with Nutt’s recruits. If the Rebels have recruited as well as you say they have under Nutt then the talent level will only go up as will the wins. Right?
Be prepared for responses to everything but this......
Posted on 4/10/10 at 10:13 am to woopiginaustin
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By the way, I don't 'obsess' over Nutt. But I do love how year 3 is generally considered to be a coaches measuring stick and Ole Miss is already in a 'rebuilding' phase and praying for an Independence invite.
Complete contradiction. Good job.
Who said we are "praying for an Independence Bowl invite"? Look at our weak arse non conf schedule, 8 wins is very possible and if Nutt's repuation as a coach who coaches better from the back of the pack is true then we will prob surprise some folks.
And the whole "year 3 measuring stick" is complete bs. Any team who lost what we lost last year would be in some sort of rebuilding phase. But that's ok, keep making things up to validate your argument. I can't wait to see what you come up with next.
Having said all of this, I find it hilarious that Jevan Snead had a career high in passing yards this year against yall.
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followed by possibly anywhere in the 10 to 11 post-bowl range.
Saturday Morning Comedy Hour on Tigerdropping.com.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 10:19 am to RebFeBrees
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And the whole "year 3 measuring stick" is complete bs.
You're alone in this line of thinking
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Any team who lost what we lost last year would be in some sort of rebuilding phase.
Are you implying Nutt won with someone elses kids, or are you implying that with 2 1/2 years prep, Nutt hasn't recruited well enough to replace them? How many years will he need for his kids to be ready to perform? 4? 5? 6?
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Saturday Morning Comedy Hour
Want to wager a 12 month posting ban that Arkansas does/doesn't win 10 games post-bowl?
This post was edited on 4/10/10 at 10:22 am
Posted on 4/10/10 at 10:29 am to Choctaw Hog
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Choctaw Hog
I actually do agree with the point you are making. In year three, if a coach has recruited well, he should be better than years one and two. I will concede that.
My point is this: Nutt has rcruited well and brought in some high quality players the last 3 recruiting classes who already have and will continue to make an impact on our team.
Now, some of those players are still in the shadows because we just graduated some great ones in Jerry, Dex, Shay, etc. So are they young, talented players? absolutley. Do they have experience in the SEC, which is the direct correlate to success? No and they will have to learn on the fly while playing in hands-down the toughest division in the toughest conference in America.
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Do you think the Rebels will be much better this year than they were in 2008 or even 2009 for that matter?
Do I think we will win 10 games? no. We lost alot of NFL talwent the past 2 years and Nutt's recruits, while talented, are still inexperienced, which again, is everything in the SEC.
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talent level will only go up as will the wins.
If you know half as much about the game as you like to act like you do then you know that this is not always the case.
FWIW I feel very confident about where the OM program is heading. Will we be in a rebuilding phase somewhat this year? yes. But we will be in a position to be bring everyone back the following year and our 2011 recruiting class is already looking very good.
If I didn't answer your question the way you would like let me know.
This post was edited on 4/10/10 at 10:30 am
Posted on 4/10/10 at 10:30 am to RebFeBrees
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And the whole "year 3 measuring stick" is complete bs
So the third year into a coach's new job the team should be worse? Does that go for year 4 & 5 as well? Please explain as I would really like to here your reasoning on this on.
This post was edited on 4/10/10 at 10:36 am
Posted on 4/10/10 at 10:35 am to RebFeBrees
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Now, some of those players are still in the shadows because we just graduated some great ones in Jerry, Dex, Shay, etc.
So you are saying that the players Nutt recruited were not as good, taking into consideration experience as well, as the ones left by the previous coaching staff?
Then opposite would be true as well if a coach had to play 16 freshmen in his first year with a new team? Right?
This post was edited on 4/10/10 at 10:39 am
Posted on 4/10/10 at 10:38 am to Choctaw Hog
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So the third year into a coach's new job the tea m should be worse?
I didn't say that. But to put everything on a coach's 3rd year and say that is the end all be all is not realistic. I am not trying to cop out BC I we are breaking in new players I am just giving my honest opinion.
So it is Nutt's fault that Dex was such a badass and he now has to replace him in his all sooo important 3rd year? It's Nutt's fault that Jevan went pro due to family $ problems? lemme guess, it was also Nutt's fault that D-Mac didnt stay for his Sr year?
Bottom Line: We have good personell, Nutt has recruited well and unlike yall we have the foundation for a great defense for years to come. But we have alot of holes to fill on O, namely at quarterback and when you are in the SEC breaking in a new QB, you have to be realistic and expect bumps along the way.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 10:42 am to RebFeBrees
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So it is Nutt's fault that Dex was such a badass and he now has to replace him in his all sooo important 3rd year? It's Nutt's fault that Jevan went pro due to family $ problems? lemme guess, it was also Nutt's fault that D-Mac didnt stay for his Sr year?
Bottom Line: We have good personell, Nutt has recruited well and unlike yall we have the foundation for a great defense for years to come. But we have alot of holes to fill on O, namely at quarterback and when you are in the SEC breaking in a new QB, you have to be realistic and expect bumps along the way.
I actually think we are in more of an agreement than you realize. My point is that O left Nutt a lot of talent while Nutt left Petrino very little to work with as evident as the number of underclassman each team had to rely on over the last two years. It’s been fun but I have to go work in the yard now. Regards.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 11:03 am to Choctaw Hog
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I actually think we are in more of an agreement than you realize.
Maybe. And maybe lucifer has Carharts and a barn coat on as well.
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My point is that O left Nutt a lot of talent while Nutt left Petrino very little to work with as evident as the number of underclassman each team had to rely on over the last two years.
O definitely left Nutt with some talent. That is obvious. He also left him a team with a horrible mindset and losing mentality, academic issues, and paper thin depth at CB, OL, LB, QB, and TE. O yea, then there was the whole APR hit. Thanks Orgeron.
Did Nutt leave the cupboard bare in Fayetteville? Perhaps. But that partially has to do with DMac and Felix leaving early, and the whole Muffstain saga, which he couldn't have predicted. And shite, Michael Smith wasn't some slouch.
Even if he did it on purpose, I couldn't blame him after numerous times of dumpster loads of trash being deposited on his house/yard from cropduster planes, which I know for a fact happened after losses during his tenure in the Ozarks.
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