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Methodist Church Schism Watch 2019

Posted on 2/4/19 at 12:11 pm
Posted by KSGamecock
The Woodlands, TX
Member since May 2012
22982 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 12:11 pm
United Methodists face vote on LGBTQ issues. Will it rip the church apart?



The United Methodist Church ain't looking so united these days.

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...United Methodist General Conference this month in St. Louis. The conference meets every four years, but a special session was called to vote on a plan regarding same-sex marriage and the acceptance of LGBTQ clergy in the church.


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United Methodists represent the second-largest protestant denomination in the United States, behind churches that are part of the Southern Baptist Convention.


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The United Methodist Church faces the possibility of a schism because of the vote. It's inevitable that people will leave the church because of how polarizing the issue is, according to congregants, clergy and experts. It's also possible entire congregations could leave the denomination.


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Of the three most prominent plans, the Council of Bishops recommends the One Church Plan, which would allow churches and pastors to make decisions based on their specific congregations and conferences. That means that United Methodist pastors would be allowed, but not required, to perform same-sex marriages. But marriages would not be performed in the church unless the congregation votes to approve them before the first one.


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While the One Church Plan offers flexibility to churches, some Methodists say it's a shallow solution to a more complex issue.


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"I feel kind of weird about it," Rosas said. "It's weird to move forward with part of the congregation embracing the notion of 'all are welcome' and then the rest are stuck in the past. Personally, I would like a plan that's more progressive and recognizes LGBTQ marriage in the church and accepts LGBTQ clergy.


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Gary Winburne attends the United Methodist Church of Colleyville and Lewis' discussion group. He said he joined the group because he wanted to hear from fellow congregants about their beliefs. He describes himself as a traditionalist and said he will most likely leave the United Methodist Church if the One Church Plan is passed. "I think as Christians we are called to love all peoples but we don't have to necessarily condone their actions,"


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"The impact on the United Methodist Church will be great," Grant said. "Whatever is decided, the chances are that a significant number of United Methodists will depart the denomination."


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"If you're a traditionalist, you don't like that language will be taken out and changed," Oldmixon said. "If you're progressive, you're not satisfied because there's nothing new that affirms any other sexualities."


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"This is the only issue where the language of schism has been elevated to this level," Oldmixon said. "I don't know how widespread it would be but it'll definitely happen."


The United Methodist Church as an entity is relatively new, having been created in 1968 after mending previous schisms surrounding slavery during the civil war. Now it looks like members of one of America's most polite and well mannered churches are fixing to go to war.

This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 12:15 pm
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:27 pm to
As someone who went to a FUMC from birth through high school yet has no clue what the differences between any denomination are, at least they are crawling in the right direction.
Posted by thatguy45
Your alter's mom's basement
Member since Sep 2017
19429 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:38 pm to
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That means that United Methodist pastors would be allowed, but not required, to perform same-sex marriages. But marriages would not be performed in the church unless the congregation votes to approve them before the first one.

KSG finally youll be able to have a nice Methodist wedding

Posted by KSGamecock
The Woodlands, TX
Member since May 2012
22982 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:52 pm to
Do they have meth at Methodist weddings? What is a gay funeral like?
Posted by thatguy45
Your alter's mom's basement
Member since Sep 2017
19429 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:55 pm to
Meth is only given to the bride and groom as wedding gifts
I cant speak to the validity of this information (as Ive never been to a gay funeral) but rumor mill says there's a gay pride flag draped casket, eulogy from Elton John. Pretty much what you'd expect
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282800 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:57 pm to
I think two of the Methodist churches in my town have lesbian pastors.
Posted by thatguy45
Your alter's mom's basement
Member since Sep 2017
19429 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:02 pm to
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I think two of the Methodist churches in my town have lesbian pastors.


That's just a really weird concept to me. Baptist traditions make some things other churches do unusual but, wow
Posted by STLDawg
The Lou
Member since Apr 2015
4210 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 6:44 pm to
This is why I’m Catholic now.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 6:50 pm to
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 6:54 pm to
Isn't there a pretty big difference between the Methodist Church and the United Methodist Church? Methodist church is rather liberal, while United Methodist is just Southern Baptists that want to drink alcohol in public is what I always thought.
Posted by KSGamecock
The Woodlands, TX
Member since May 2012
22982 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 7:18 pm to
“The Methodist Church” doesn’t exist anymore, it was one of two groups that merged to become the United Methodist Church. Most Methodists are either going to be United Methodist or AME (black church). There are unaffiliated Methodists and Methodists of other groups but they are much much smaller. If you see a Methodist church it is most likely affiliated with the UMC.

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This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 7:20 pm
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