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re: Anyone following the Gold Cup?
Posted on 7/17/17 at 9:46 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 7/17/17 at 9:46 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I am so pissed at the pairings for the final round. Must be all Mexicans on the committee. There are four teams that won two games in the Group round of play. Final round consists of the top 8 teams. No way three of those top 4 should be in the same bracket. Right!?
Wrong! #'s 1 (USA), 2, 3 and 8 are in the top bracket. #'s 4 (Mexico), 5, 6, and 7 are in the lower bracket!
Wrong! #'s 1 (USA), 2, 3 and 8 are in the top bracket. #'s 4 (Mexico), 5, 6, and 7 are in the lower bracket!
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 9:54 am to ALA2262
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I am so pissed at the pairings for the final round. Must be all Mexicans on the committee. There are four teams that won two games in the Group round of play. Final round consists of the top 8 teams. No way three of those top 4 should be in the same bracket. Right!?
Wrong! #'s 1 (USA), 2, 3 and 8 are in the top bracket. #'s 4 (Mexico), 5, 6, and 7 are in the lower bracket!
Don't watch the games if that makes you mad. I've watched every Mexico game and they get *every* call. They play pillow soccer, should have lost to Curazao and Jamaica (missed Penalty).
I was thinking about that, too. We get El Salvador who's actually a pretty decent team -- Costa Rica gets fricking PANAMA and Mexico gets to play Honduras? I understand that they're using a formula, and Mexico had the second best numbers but it just seems like the Gold Cup will ALWAYS be for Mexico.
They should have rotated Jamaica into our bracket and Panamá into their bracket. Although I doubt they want another 2015-esque fiasco.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 9:58 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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You understand that it wasn't the only game that we played, that there were indeed, younger players before?
Like I said earlier, the truly young players only started 1 game, and against a team that isn't even part of FIFA.
quote:It's not really a narrow metric. No one considers 25 year olds to be young players.
B. Apply a really narrow metric that fits your narrative
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Rowe, Dwyer
A one year age difference between 25, 26, and 27 year olds is negligible at best, and is surely nothing to be excited about solely on the fact that they are a few months younger.
If you said you were excited to see some guys with little experience with our NT, I would agree with you. However we haven't gotten to see much of our truly young players in this tournament, or really guys that are noticeably younger than our starters.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:38 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Mexico had the second best numbers
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All of the top 4 teams had 7 points. All had +4 GD. USA had 7 GF putting them first. Panama had 6 GF putting them second. Costa Rica and Mexico both had 5 GF. Don't know what the tie-breaker is in that case but I'm giving it to Costa Rica because they were in the group that had Honduras which had 4 points with a +2 GD and would be seeded seventh, while Mexico was in the group with El Salvador which had 4 points with a 0 GD and would have been seeded eighth.
Pairings should have been #1 USA-#8 El Salvador, #2 Panama-#7 Honduras, #3 Costa Rica-#6 Jamaica, and #4 Mexico-#5 Canada
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 10:46 am
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:48 am to ALA2262
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Must be all Mexicans on the committee.
What committee? Two third place teams made the quarterfinals. We get to play one and Mexico gets to play one. The rest of the stuff about how many points the second place teams got is meaningless.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:49 am to ALA2262
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Pairings should have been #1 USA-#8 El Salvador, #2 Panama-#7 Honduras, #3 Costa Rica-#6 Jamaica, and #4 Mexico-#5 Canada
There aren't any seeds.
I don't think it works like that in any international soccer tournament.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 10:56 am
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:57 am to pvilleguru
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We get to play one and Mexico gets to play one.
Why does Mexico get to play one? Panama had 6 GF. Mexico had 5 GF. If they had been in the same group with those GF numbers then Panama would have won the group.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:57 am to ALA2262
I keep forgetting that they had a scoreless draw with Jamaica.
You're right, and it makes you wonder why it isn't like that. Mexico gets a cakewalk at their end.
I wanted to see what method they were using (the Gold Cup), maybe SOS?
Ahhh, it's because it's decided beforehand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_CONCACAF_Gold_Cup_knockout_stage
Still, they missed a great opportunity for drama by not putting Panama in the bottom bracket.
You're right, and it makes you wonder why it isn't like that. Mexico gets a cakewalk at their end.
I wanted to see what method they were using (the Gold Cup), maybe SOS?
Ahhh, it's because it's decided beforehand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_CONCACAF_Gold_Cup_knockout_stage
Still, they missed a great opportunity for drama by not putting Panama in the bottom bracket.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:02 am to ALA2262
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Why does Mexico get to play one?
Because that's how the draw worked out.
There's no committee deciding who plays who. They come up with a bracket. Then draw teams to see who plays in what group.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 11:05 am
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:04 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:12 am to ALA2262
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Why does Mexico get to play one? Panama had 6 GF. Mexico had 5 GF. If they had been in the same group with those GF numbers then Panama would have won the group.
Similarly, Costa Rica had the exact same numbers as Mexico. How fortunate that Mexico won the lots that were drawn, I suppose.
Both teams had 7 points
Both are at 5 - 1 (+4)
So, they got it over two teams (one comparable, the other better numbers), not just Panama.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:19 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Similarly, Costa Rica had the exact same numbers as Mexico. How fortunate that Mexico won the lots that were drawn, I suppose. Both teams had 7 points Both are at 5 - 1 (+4) So, they got it over two teams (one comparable, the other better numbers), not just Panama.
Exactly! That is what I was saying when I questioned you about Mexico having the second best numbers.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:21 am to pvilleguru
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Because that's how the draw worked out.
That's the point, though. The ''draw'' always seems to work in Mexico's favor -- just like the penalties and almost every other call.
I'd love to see them lose to Canada or Jamaica. Frankly, I want them to lose every game they play.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:22 am to ALA2262
Actually, before the group's were drawn, they decided that the winner of Mexico's group and USA's group will play the two third place teams. They also made it impossible for USA and Mexico to play each other before the final unless one of the teams finished 3rd in their group. Everything else was just the luck of the draw.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:22 am to ALA2262
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Exactly! That is what I was saying when I questioned you about Mexico having the second best numbers.
''Luck'' of the draw, I s'pose.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:22 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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That's the point, though. The ''draw'' always seems to work in Mexico's favor -- just like the penalties and almost every other call. I'd love to see them lose to Canada or Jamaica. Frankly, I want them to lose every game they play.
Upvote!
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:53 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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The ''draw'' always seems to work in Mexico's favor -- just like the penalties and almost every other call.
In 2015, Mexico had to play Costa Rica and Panama to reach the finals. We had to play Cuba and Jamaica.
2013, Mexico had T&T and Panama. We had El Salvador and Honduras.
I think we had the easier group in 2018 WC qualifying with T&T, Guatemala, and St. Vincent. Mexico had Honduras, Canada, and El Salvador.
I think we had an easier group for the 2014 WC as well.
We also have the advantage of playing every Gold Cup in the US.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 7/17/17 at 12:22 pm to pvilleguru
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n 2015, Mexico had to play Costa Rica and Panama to reach the finals. We had to play Cuba and Jamaica.
How did that Panamá game end? You understand the impact of favorable calls in soccer?
Why do you have this incessant need to argue obvious points, anyway? I live in Mexico, and Mexican fans are aware of the bias in the Gold Cup. It's like you have to take the opposite view -- and quite frankly, I can see why other posters shy away from conversations with you.
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I think we had the easier group in 2018 WC qualifying with T&T, Guatemala, and St. Vincent. Mexico had Honduras, Canada, and El Salvador.
Irrelevant in the Gold Cup, and the bias for referees makes it irrelevant for who they draw. When they get tough teams, they get a lot of calls.
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We also have the advantage of playing every Gold Cup in the US.
In Soccer, tournaments do not yield advantage. If it was a one shot game, yes, but after that you don't suffer from jet-lag, nor any of the other problems associated with one-shots.
So, just to solidify this: Even Mexican fans (my girlfriend included, who lives with me in Mexico City) admit the favor that Mexico gets, why can't you?
Posted on 7/17/17 at 12:22 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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it just seems like the Gold Cup will ALWAYS be for Mexico
Hell remember how bad the refs carried them through the 2015 tournament? They wanted the USA Mexico playoff
Posted on 7/17/17 at 12:29 pm to Glorious
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Hell remember how bad the refs carried them through the 2015 tournament? They wanted the USA Mexico playoff
It carried them through their group, too. They play Micky Mouse soccer -- wherein any time they fall down they get a foul, but they can challenge as hard as they want to against the opposing team. That's why they get skullfricked by teams like Germany and Chile (7 - 0) -- they never play real soccer.
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