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re: 20 - 30 years from now will be a frightening time
Posted on 8/9/15 at 12:59 pm to Iron Lion
Posted on 8/9/15 at 12:59 pm to Iron Lion
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John Adams said and i quote "the government of the united states is in no way founded on the Christian religion". Doesn't get any simpler than that.
Yet John Adams wrote...
"The Holy Ghost carries on the whole Christian system in this Earth. Not a baptism, not a marriage, not a Sacrament can be administered but by the Holy Ghost, who is transmitted from age to age by laying the hands of the Bishop on the heads of candidates for the Ministry. In the same manner as the Holy Ghost is transmitted from monarch to monarch by the holy oil in the vial at Rheims which was brought down from Heaven by a dove and by that other phial [vial] which I have seen in the Tower of London. There is no authority civil or religious: There can be no legitimate government but that which is administered by this Holy Ghost. There can be no salvation without it. All without it is rebellion and perdition, or in more orthodox words damnation. "
The treaty of Tripoli (from whence your quote came) was simply pointing out that the United States did not have an official religion.
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Posted on 8/9/15 at 1:00 pm to CatFan81
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What founding document did he sign?
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What founding document did George Washington sign?
You didn't answer the question.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 1:02 pm to beejon
Signing a founding document is not a prerequisite of being a founding father. If that were the case, Washington wouldn't be considered one either, and that is asinine. You're just the typical zealot.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 1:11 pm to CatFan81
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Signing a founding document is not a prerequisite of being a founding father. If that were the case, Washington wouldn't be considered one either, and that is asinine. You're just the typical zealot.
The answer is, Thomas Paine didn't sign a founding document.
Now that we've got that out of the way, surely you're not comparing Thomas Paine to George Washington...who was a Christian.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 1:14 pm to beejon
No, I'm not. I'm saying that it is absurd to say that Thomas Paine wasn't a founding father. You're like every other zealot. Trying to bend history to fit your backwards agenda.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 1:25 pm to CatFan81
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No, I'm not. I'm saying that it is absurd to say that Thomas Paine wasn't a founding father.
Tell me how Thomas Paine was a founding father.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 1:41 pm to beejon
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Let's get back to the heart of the issue though. While the majority of founding fathers may have been christians, some were also deists and even atheist. Furthermore the 1st amendment makes it quite transparent that our country was not founded on one religion being more important than the other, and no religion being the implemented into our law of the land.
This means that prayer in public schools, attempting to teach creationism in public schools as well as setting up the ten commandments outside a courthouse is unconstitutional
Let's get back to the heart of the issue though. While the majority of founding fathers may have been christians, some were also deists and even atheist. Furthermore the 1st amendment makes it quite transparent that our country was not founded on one religion being more important than the other, and no religion being the implemented into our law of the land.
This means that prayer in public schools, attempting to teach creationism in public schools as well as setting up the ten commandments outside a courthouse is unconstitutional
Posted on 8/9/15 at 1:45 pm to Mullet Flap
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Let's get back to the heart of the issue though. While the majority of founding fathers may have been christians, some were also deists and even atheist.
No, not a single one was atheist.
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Furthermore the 1st amendment makes it quite transparent that our country was not founded on one religion being more important than the other, and no religion being the implemented into our law of the land.
I agree. As a Christian, I certainly don't wish for America to have an official religion.
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This means that prayer in public schools, attempting to teach creationism in public schools as well as setting up the ten commandments outside a courthouse is unconstitutional
I agree. But neither should the worldview of Darwinism as an explanation of the existence of humanity be taught.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 1:59 pm to beejon
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But neither should the worldview of Darwinism as an explanation of the existence of humanity be taught.
As the rigorously tested scientific theory of how we came to be, and considering that there are no other alternatives save us being made out of thin air only several thousands of years ago as fully functioning homo sapiens, I'd say it's our best bet.
There is so much evidence that points to a common ancestor, our earth being BILLIONS, not thousands, of years old, bacterial evolution (that you can observe today), genetic commonalities, vestigial body parts in humans, etc etc. I understand you seem to be wholly against accepting this
Posted on 8/9/15 at 2:15 pm to Mullet Flap
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As the rigorously tested scientific theory of how we came to be, and considering that there are no other alternatives save us being made out of thin air only several thousands of years ago as fully functioning homo sapiens, I'd say it's our best bet.
Darwinist creationism is not 'rigorously tested'. It's not based on the scientific method but on a series of guesses and suppositions.
Everything was made out of thin air at some point in time.
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There is so much evidence that points to a common ancestor, our earth being BILLIONS, not thousands, of years old, bacterial evolution (that you can observe today), genetic commonalities, vestigial body parts in humans, etc etc. I understand you seem to be wholly against accepting this
Common ancestry, bacteria evolving into bacteria and genetic commonalities do not support the Darwinist view of willy-nilly creation of humanity from an alleged single life form of long ago.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 2:27 pm to beejon
This thread started out about coed showers. wtfh?Posted on 8/9/15 at 2:41 pm to beejon
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willy-nilly creation of humanity
How ironic. For the record, i don't think anyone can say with utmost certainty that they KNOW how life started, the chemical structure that sparked it all, etc . However, this doesn't mean that we default to the supernatural when we don't understand something. A stance that has much less ground to base their claims off of yet happens to be the most vocal.
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