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Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:32 pm to kilo
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:32 pm to kilo
Ill just copy and paste what I said earlier, since you didnt see it before. Also...whose fault is it that we have no depth?
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I dont think he needs to be fired now, but its more than fair to place blame for this season on Pinkel. Injuries were a part of this. They were. But the fact that they are being made into the difference between 5-7 and contending for the East is ridiculous. LSU basically lost their entire O-Line this year. They seemed to have done fine. And before anybody says "Well we arent LSU", I think it is fair to say there is a huge gap between 10+ wins (LSU) and the 5 we got. The fact of the matter is, the season still goes on. Our opponents dont care who is hurt. You still put up a fight. Injuries had little to do with what happened last night. Injuries had little to do with Syracuse. Yet we will keep getting that excuse trotted out. I just wish we became a team of adapting and overcoming problems, and not forming excuses and quitting like we have done.
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Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:33 pm to kilo
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You dont think all those 3 and outs affect the defense?
Minimally. I think there is a much larger issue when it is 0-42 and we arent even at halftime. And no, its not only injuries or three and outs.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:42 pm to Stripes314
I am about to watch This Week in Mizzou Football, hoping to hear something remotely positive towards the future. I feel like I need to hear something. I know I will just hear "We do what we do", but I hope there is something good to go off of from this shitfire.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:44 pm to Stripes314
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Ill just copy and paste what I said earlier, since you didnt see it before.
Thats all great but LSU has more depth of talent. Its just the way it is. No offense but I feel like people think there is a magic wand that can be waved so coaches can get less talented players to become more talented.
Injuries have a cumulative effect over the course of the year. Injuries are not the only problem this team has but those who keep trying to say and or act like they are not a part of the problem look foolish.
The aTm game was just a mess. Syracuse game was a combination of factors including injuries. Vandy biggest issues was Franklin going down.
I know the mob doesnt like hearing about the injuries because it gets in the way of the agenda at hand but THEY are a huge part of the failings of the seasons losses. Not the only issues either. When folks try and act like they are not or they ar e"sick" of hearing about them they are not approaching shite in a rational and logical way at that point.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:46 pm to Stripes314
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Minimally. I think there is a much larger issue when it is 0-42 and we arent even at halftime. And no, its not only injuries or three and outs.
You dont think having to take the many snaps wears down a defense?
Come on.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:54 pm to kilo
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You dont think having to take the many snaps wears down a defense?
I never said that. But TAMU started with the ball. So for the first 3 or 4 drives the Defense should have been fine. They were fresh correct? If they were winded already then again thats on the coaches.
Now over the course of the game. Yes they were probably gassed. But TAMU scored their first touchdown within about 2 minutes. Three and outs though.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:57 pm to kilo
I fully get that injuries are a factor. Nobody is debating that. People are critical that we have no competent back up plan, at all. Whose fault is it that we dont have the depth? Why is it we never recruited a real QB behind James? Just in case. This is what people are mad about. We didnt have a real QB behind Blaine, and you would have thought we had learned our lesson. Why didnt the staff? These are the questions that piss people off.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:59 pm to Stripes314
The aTm game was a mess. There is no excuse for some of the shite that went on in that game.
Folks are cherry picking the shite out of the season to fit their own agenda though, you have to admit that thats true. The defense, overall didnt have a terrible year.
Over the course of a season when a defense has to pick up the slack for an anemic offense it wears down. Especially when there is not a lot of depth in the first place.
Folks are cherry picking the shite out of the season to fit their own agenda though, you have to admit that thats true. The defense, overall didnt have a terrible year.
Over the course of a season when a defense has to pick up the slack for an anemic offense it wears down. Especially when there is not a lot of depth in the first place.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:01 pm to Stripes314
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I fully get that injuries are a factor. Nobody is debating that. People are critical that we have no competent back up plan, at all. Whose fault is it that we dont have the depth? Why is it we never recruited a real QB behind James? Just in case. This is what people are mad about. We didnt have a real QB behind Blaine, and you would have thought we had learned our lesson. Why didnt the staff? These are the questions that piss people off.
Ok, if its that easy to recruit blue blood level depth ala Alabama/LSU/Oklahoma etc to Missouri where you can replace and offensive line and not miss a beat or have a BCS SEC type starting QB sitting on the bench why hasnt some one been able to do this before at Missouri?
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Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:03 pm to kilo
The defense was better than I thought it would be going into the season overall, but my main concern is with the preparation of the staff. I really do feel like we make one plan and it works or it doesnt. See my Blaine Gabbert injury example.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:05 pm to Stripes314
Some of you just have unreasonable expectations of what a coach can and cant do at Missouri at the given time. Things could change and we could end up being able to keep up with the big boys but right now, we can not. Thats reality. Pinkel has done more with 2 and 3 start kids than most coaches have been able to do. Do people really forget all of that?
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:06 pm to kilo
kilo, I did say I'm sick of hearing about the injuries and feel free to throw me into the mob but for the record, I'm part of the mob that says Pinkel should be given next year to fix things. At the same time, the injuries have a bigger impact because of the coaching staff not doing a better job recruiting or not coaching up the backups. I'm not suggesting that means we should have been on LSU's level, but tell me one game, just one game, where we looked solid for 4 quarters. Don't even mention SELA because one, it's SELA and two, the offense really wasn't impressive in that game either.
I'm also not convinced the Vandy game was due to Franklin going down. Who's to say he wouldn't have pulled a Syracuse with a strong start just to disappear again?
I'm also not convinced the Vandy game was due to Franklin going down. Who's to say he wouldn't have pulled a Syracuse with a strong start just to disappear again?
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:08 pm to kilo
They dont even have to be Blue Blood talent. We had a walk on QB at #2 on the Depth Chart a few years ago. Why cant we get a serviceable player? I feel like this is the same thing with Berkstresser. The staff had to know what they had in Corbin. Even they werent all that thrilled with him. Why can we never have a solid backup? This is just one example with the QB situation, but illustrates the point. Why do we solely rely on one thing or player working?
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:09 pm to kilo
I agree. The defense probably looked good more than it looked bad over the course of the entire season. There are certainly things that could and should be done differently in the opinion of this armchair quarterback, but overall, if I had to grade out the defense on the season it would be somewhere between a C+ and a B.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:11 pm to kilo
With all due respect, you keep comparing us to Alabama/LSU when we frankly looked like shite against UCF, Syracuse, USCe and on and on.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:13 pm to reedus23
Like I said before in other threads, Pinkels recruiting scares the crap out of me moving forward.
Again, there is not a magic wand that a coach can wave to make a less talented player all of a sudden equal to the completion he is playing. All the coaching in the world can not always bridge that gap.
Another question folks need to ask themselves is it the coaching staff that cant recruit to Missouri or is it the program itself the limits its ability to recruit? I know a lot of Mizzou fans dont like to look at things this way but there is some truth to this line of thinking. We have a Longways to go to turn around decades of neglect and mediocrity surrounding this football program.
Again, there is not a magic wand that a coach can wave to make a less talented player all of a sudden equal to the completion he is playing. All the coaching in the world can not always bridge that gap.
Another question folks need to ask themselves is it the coaching staff that cant recruit to Missouri or is it the program itself the limits its ability to recruit? I know a lot of Mizzou fans dont like to look at things this way but there is some truth to this line of thinking. We have a Longways to go to turn around decades of neglect and mediocrity surrounding this football program.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:14 pm to reedus23
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With all due respect, you keep comparing us to Alabama/LSU when we frankly looked like shite against UCF, Syracuse, USCe and on and on.
Im not comparing us to those schools at all. In fact I did the exact opposite and saying WE are not these programs.
This post was edited on 11/25/12 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:17 pm to Stripes314
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Why do we solely rely on one thing or player working?
Maybe because good players wont come to Mizzou to sit on the bench like they would at other more prestigious programs.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:17 pm to kilo
My bad, I thought you were talking about LSU's depth and blue bloods. The staff should have been able to recruit and/or coach up 2nd and 3rd string players to play well against the likes of Vandy/UCF/Syracuse and the like. That's all I'm saying. We may be saying the same thing. 
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:20 pm to reedus23
I think a lot of us are closer in opinion than sometimes is conveyed on a message board. I think everyone agrees that change is needed inside either the staff or forced on the current coordinators. I think everyone is pretty in unison that another season like this pone and you have to blow the things up.
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