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re: The main reason I love Trump more today than a few weeks ago
Posted on 2/22/17 at 3:37 pm to JustGetItRight
Posted on 2/22/17 at 3:37 pm to JustGetItRight
Understood, and I'm in no way saying we should remove the representative government, to be clear. Somehow this shifted to a true democracy when really all I've stated is that the electoral college is inherently flawed and should be done away with. Simply removing the electoral college wouldn't create mob rule. There are obviously still rules of government that are put in place as you mentioned.
I also see your point as to the electoral college as it relates to rural area voters. But I'd argue that it would force republicans to campaign in areas where minorities are abundant. I don't think that's bad thing. And undoubtedly would push for a third party candidate which is basically Trump already. Name recognition, celebrity, a man of the people, etc. The only difference is he wasn't likable. Another polarizing figure with more positive qualities would have wiped the floor with Hillary and Trump. I understand your cons to removing the EC; I just don't believe they outweigh the pros nor the morality of a popular vote for president. Right now we are allowing rural America to decide our president, not just giving them a voice. And no offense, but I'm not a big fan of that. Just because a candidate isn't campaigning hard in your town doesn't mean you should be ignorant to politics. It's up to you to pay attention.
I also see your point as to the electoral college as it relates to rural area voters. But I'd argue that it would force republicans to campaign in areas where minorities are abundant. I don't think that's bad thing. And undoubtedly would push for a third party candidate which is basically Trump already. Name recognition, celebrity, a man of the people, etc. The only difference is he wasn't likable. Another polarizing figure with more positive qualities would have wiped the floor with Hillary and Trump. I understand your cons to removing the EC; I just don't believe they outweigh the pros nor the morality of a popular vote for president. Right now we are allowing rural America to decide our president, not just giving them a voice. And no offense, but I'm not a big fan of that. Just because a candidate isn't campaigning hard in your town doesn't mean you should be ignorant to politics. It's up to you to pay attention.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 3:45 pm
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Posted on 2/22/17 at 3:49 pm to cas4t
I agree. The EC has to go.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 4:01 pm to cas4t
If we didn't have the electoral college then California and New York would decide the vote. Either way we are screwed. I think the votes should be split from each state, like another poster said.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 4:02 pm to cas4t
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Somehow this shifted to a true democracy when really all I've stated is that the electoral college is inherently flawed and should be done away with.
I think with our winner take all system, the electoral college does a great job. It protects minority interests and prevents the umbrella politics from being to centered on just a few regions. Without the electoral college would the Rust Belt be in the news? People struggling in Appalachia? I doubt it. Without the electoral college, in our winner take all system, the only thing that would matters is homogenizing highly populated areas and getting as large a percentage of that as you can. It wouldn't be an exaggeration that you could literally ignore the middle of the country. And I say this as a Texan. My vote in the Electoral College will never be worth as much as someone "educated" at LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, or Mississippi State. Which on it's face sounds ridiculous, right? A high school diploma in the Great State of Texas is more valuable than any degree you could obtain at one of those places, and Texans votes are worth less? But yes. That's the way it should be. In the Federal Branch, IMO, having to placate to as many individuals states as possible is a good thing. Larger populous states have other inherent advantages that balance this out.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 4:08 pm to cas4t
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Right now we are allowing rural America to decide our president, not just giving them a voice.
I mean. If Hillary had visited Wisconsin and Michigan, and had at least ONE economic message for the Rust Belt, then she wins comfortably. I think this is a hyperbolic view of what happens. The rural vote has NEVER been this homogeneous. The Democrats literally abandoned the middle of the country and took the one slice they had of it completely for granted. They have the coasts and with just ONE slice of middle America, something Obama did twice quite comfortably might I add... they win. And I for one am absolutely thrilled that our system was able to show the Democrats that they couldn't get away ostracizing everything that's not in LA or Brooklyn... because I absolutely believed they thought they could. They were in such a bubble and felt the rest of America so irrelevant, they were dumbfounded. Good. I'm glad the Electoral College prevents that mindset from prevailing.
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