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re: Potential replacement for when Saban retires
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:18 pm to RollTide4Ever
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:18 pm to RollTide4Ever
dabo
pros: 1) recruits well ... 2) built his own brand at clemson and is comfy in his own skin, which would serve him well in bama's pressure cooker, as others have stated ... 3) can be hard-nosed when it's needed, as others have noted ... 4) is an alum (imo, every college fan deep down wants an alum to coach the team) ... 5) has made clemson a favorite to be in the hunt every year ... probably a bit underrated regarding his defensive focus ...
cons: 1) bit too rah/rah, as others have noted ... i'm of this opinion, though that's a perception thing since i'm used to bryant/stallings/saban not being rah/rah, though saban is obviously more vocal than bryant and stallings ... probably doesn't matter all that much ... it's who he is ... 2) does not focus on a typical bama style of football - tough defense/establishing the run, above all else, to a large degree ... 3) he's not saban ... 4) can be quirky ... quirkiness does not work at alabama, though he could change that aspect since he doesn't need it as much in tuscaloosa ... or not change it ...
as for the punt thing/onside kick, if a punter runs a fake without the hc's permission, he deserves to have his butt chewed out till the cows come home ... maybe he'd been given a green light to run it whenever he felt it was "there", but i doubt it ... and the onside kick was probably just an 'in the moment' thing ... they've just lost a very, very close game, saban has said some things that should make any fan scratch their head ...
agree with what's been stated - he'd have to be approached as the sole candidate ...
if not dabo, then i'd give serious consideration to fuente ... this year has proven how good a coach he is ...
zero consieration to peterson ... he is not a southern guy and has absolutely no desire to live in tuscaloosa, regardless of family considerations or money offered (belichik? really?) ... he is a west cost/mountain guy ... likewise, shaw will not come to alabama for $10 million a year or any other obscene offer ... these guys aren't mike price ... those are terminal college jobs for them ...
but we don't have to worry about that for another 5 years or so because nicholas lou saban enjoys running alabama's football program more with every passing season ...
pros: 1) recruits well ... 2) built his own brand at clemson and is comfy in his own skin, which would serve him well in bama's pressure cooker, as others have stated ... 3) can be hard-nosed when it's needed, as others have noted ... 4) is an alum (imo, every college fan deep down wants an alum to coach the team) ... 5) has made clemson a favorite to be in the hunt every year ... probably a bit underrated regarding his defensive focus ...
cons: 1) bit too rah/rah, as others have noted ... i'm of this opinion, though that's a perception thing since i'm used to bryant/stallings/saban not being rah/rah, though saban is obviously more vocal than bryant and stallings ... probably doesn't matter all that much ... it's who he is ... 2) does not focus on a typical bama style of football - tough defense/establishing the run, above all else, to a large degree ... 3) he's not saban ... 4) can be quirky ... quirkiness does not work at alabama, though he could change that aspect since he doesn't need it as much in tuscaloosa ... or not change it ...
as for the punt thing/onside kick, if a punter runs a fake without the hc's permission, he deserves to have his butt chewed out till the cows come home ... maybe he'd been given a green light to run it whenever he felt it was "there", but i doubt it ... and the onside kick was probably just an 'in the moment' thing ... they've just lost a very, very close game, saban has said some things that should make any fan scratch their head ...
agree with what's been stated - he'd have to be approached as the sole candidate ...
if not dabo, then i'd give serious consideration to fuente ... this year has proven how good a coach he is ...
zero consieration to peterson ... he is not a southern guy and has absolutely no desire to live in tuscaloosa, regardless of family considerations or money offered (belichik? really?) ... he is a west cost/mountain guy ... likewise, shaw will not come to alabama for $10 million a year or any other obscene offer ... these guys aren't mike price ... those are terminal college jobs for them ...
but we don't have to worry about that for another 5 years or so because nicholas lou saban enjoys running alabama's football program more with every passing season ...
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 9:53 pm
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 11:09 pm to tiderider
Y'all keep saying Dabo has built his own legacy at Clemson. Look, I may be splitting hairs here and I'm not disparaging Dabo, but Clemson was THE ACC power before FSU joined the league and they weren't chopped liver when Dabo took the reins. Clemson has won 16 ACC titles, most of them pre-Dabo. They have one NC, again, pre-Dabo. I'm not saying he's a bad coach; on the contrary, he's done really well. I'm just saying he didn't take over Vandy and turn them into Clemson. He took a fairly powerful program that was suffering through some mediocrity (think Bama between Stallings and Saban) and righted the ship.
He's probably going to get the call when the time comes and I'm OK with that. I hope he continues to grow and learn as a coach. He's still got some learning to do. I do think his "player's coach" style will play well in Tuscaloosa after Saban hangs it up. It's the polar opposite of CNS and will be a much needed breath of fresh air. You can't question the results, but the "all business, all the time" approach gets old for everyone: the fans, the players, the staff. The winning is fun, but the process isn't. It's a game, let's make it fun again. Dabo would do that.
My biggest reservation with Dabo is the maddening habit he has of playing to the level of his competition. I don't know if it's a Dabo thing, a Clemson thing, or a bad habit he learned from Tommy Bowden who got fired for that problem. Everybody has games like that from time to time. Clemson has done it so much it's called Clemsoning. Is that because of Dabo or in spite of Dabo? It has continued on his watch too, just not quite as often. He's got one of the most talented teams in the country and one of the 3 most talented players in the country, and they struggled with some regularity this year. They struggled with Auburn, Troy, Louisville, NC State, FSU, and Pitt. Pitt beat them and NC State should have. Did everything but make the winning FG at the end. Is that the mark of a top shelf coach? It raises questions...
For Dabo to retain the golden ticket until it's redemption time, he's going to have to continue to win after this season. This is Watson's last year and as I posted previously in this thread, people want to see how much of this elite level success was due to Dabo Swinney and how much was due to having DeShaun Watson at QB. Going 9-3 next season wouldn't be surprising or damaging to his career. Going 7-6 might make people take a second look. Fortunately, that doesn't appear to be a decision we have to make at this time. Let's enjoy the coach we have for as long as we have him. Nobody will match this level anytime soon, so let's enjoy it while we can.
He's probably going to get the call when the time comes and I'm OK with that. I hope he continues to grow and learn as a coach. He's still got some learning to do. I do think his "player's coach" style will play well in Tuscaloosa after Saban hangs it up. It's the polar opposite of CNS and will be a much needed breath of fresh air. You can't question the results, but the "all business, all the time" approach gets old for everyone: the fans, the players, the staff. The winning is fun, but the process isn't. It's a game, let's make it fun again. Dabo would do that.
My biggest reservation with Dabo is the maddening habit he has of playing to the level of his competition. I don't know if it's a Dabo thing, a Clemson thing, or a bad habit he learned from Tommy Bowden who got fired for that problem. Everybody has games like that from time to time. Clemson has done it so much it's called Clemsoning. Is that because of Dabo or in spite of Dabo? It has continued on his watch too, just not quite as often. He's got one of the most talented teams in the country and one of the 3 most talented players in the country, and they struggled with some regularity this year. They struggled with Auburn, Troy, Louisville, NC State, FSU, and Pitt. Pitt beat them and NC State should have. Did everything but make the winning FG at the end. Is that the mark of a top shelf coach? It raises questions...
For Dabo to retain the golden ticket until it's redemption time, he's going to have to continue to win after this season. This is Watson's last year and as I posted previously in this thread, people want to see how much of this elite level success was due to Dabo Swinney and how much was due to having DeShaun Watson at QB. Going 9-3 next season wouldn't be surprising or damaging to his career. Going 7-6 might make people take a second look. Fortunately, that doesn't appear to be a decision we have to make at this time. Let's enjoy the coach we have for as long as we have him. Nobody will match this level anytime soon, so let's enjoy it while we can.
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 11:12 pm
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