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Posted on 3/5/17 at 4:09 pm to Warrior Poet
Posted on 3/5/17 at 4:09 pm to Warrior Poet
It's a sort of horrific human centipede where the original claim comes from anonymous sources as told by Louise Mensch of Heat Street. Mensch is, bar none, the world's dumbest reporter, she makes Kurt Eichenwald and Chuck Johnson look like Woodward and Bernstein. It's not that she's malevolent, she's just so fricking dumb I wouldn't trust her to get any of the details right. Then the game of telephone goes through National Review, Breitbart, and Trump's Twitter.
I think the odds that the staff with explicit links to Russians like Paul Manafort were tapped is approximately 100%. Since Paul Manafort lives and works out of Trump Tower it's easy to see how this sort of thing mutates from "The IC tapped Manafort in Trump Tower" to "Obama tapped Trump." But Comey doesn't need Obama's blessing to do that kind of thing.
I also don't think people realize how many of these leaks are coming from non-American sources. I'm sure the Western European intel agencies are doing their own investigation since Trump being in hock to Russia would be a big deal to them. And remember we have the FVEY deal with the other Anglo countries specifically as a wink-wink workaround for domestic spying. I don't like that arrangement, and I've complained about it before in Snowden/SIGINT threads, but it's legal (and Trump is so horrific on civil liberties I won't shed a tear if he gets burned).
I think the odds that the staff with explicit links to Russians like Paul Manafort were tapped is approximately 100%. Since Paul Manafort lives and works out of Trump Tower it's easy to see how this sort of thing mutates from "The IC tapped Manafort in Trump Tower" to "Obama tapped Trump." But Comey doesn't need Obama's blessing to do that kind of thing.
I also don't think people realize how many of these leaks are coming from non-American sources. I'm sure the Western European intel agencies are doing their own investigation since Trump being in hock to Russia would be a big deal to them. And remember we have the FVEY deal with the other Anglo countries specifically as a wink-wink workaround for domestic spying. I don't like that arrangement, and I've complained about it before in Snowden/SIGINT threads, but it's legal (and Trump is so horrific on civil liberties I won't shed a tear if he gets burned).
This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 4:28 pm
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Posted on 3/5/17 at 7:34 pm to Iosh
Well I think liberals are making a huge deal out of the Russia thing when they are lacking evidence. No better than their tea party counterparts. Although sessions/Flynn talking to any foreign government on behalf of trump during the election is illegal, the portrayal is that we are talking to the most evil and corrupt government in existence as they direct try to undermine us.
I do not question that Russia is the enemy, Putin clearly acknowledges the US is perhaps the only superpower remaining and he clearly wants Russia to return to its old days. I just question this liberal conspiracy theory that trump is their puppet. I mean this is not the first time Russia has come out in favor of an American presidential candidate and it is not the first time Russia tried to interfere with an election at least in part. With that being said, if they did hack the DNC, all they did was show the TRUTH. So run through this with me intellectually for a second - Dems are mad that Russia allegedly "hacked" DNC emails (when in fact one of the key hacks it was later determined his password was "password") and exposed the truth on several important issues, and that somehow pulled the wool over the American people. So are Dems saying we are not supposed to know the truth?
If liberals want justice for this, why do they not want justice when our acting AG met with Bill Clonton in private and a week later the Hillary Clinton investigation was terminated?
I do not question that Russia is the enemy, Putin clearly acknowledges the US is perhaps the only superpower remaining and he clearly wants Russia to return to its old days. I just question this liberal conspiracy theory that trump is their puppet. I mean this is not the first time Russia has come out in favor of an American presidential candidate and it is not the first time Russia tried to interfere with an election at least in part. With that being said, if they did hack the DNC, all they did was show the TRUTH. So run through this with me intellectually for a second - Dems are mad that Russia allegedly "hacked" DNC emails (when in fact one of the key hacks it was later determined his password was "password") and exposed the truth on several important issues, and that somehow pulled the wool over the American people. So are Dems saying we are not supposed to know the truth?
If liberals want justice for this, why do they not want justice when our acting AG met with Bill Clonton in private and a week later the Hillary Clinton investigation was terminated?
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