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re: Does anyone actually believe this

Posted on 7/6/14 at 6:21 pm to
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 7/6/14 at 6:21 pm to
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Not one man or theologian speaks for Christianity. Do you realize how many denominations there are. You act like by citing someone who's speaking for all of Christendom that his opinion is bigger than only that of one person.


In academic scholarship there is a consensus that the article has been interpolated.

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And, you're stating the part where Dunn references what the passage may look like without his perceived interpolations but you don't actually give his interpretation of the passage without the interpolations.


Because the scope and scale of the interpolations vary immensely.

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He STILL believes that, with interpolations omitted, Josephus spoke directly of a man named Jesus that was put to death by Pilate. He's not saying that with interpolations omitted Josephus spoke nothing of Jesus. So what is even your point?


The point is: Trying to reconstruct a statement that has no articles before the 11th century and having only Christian origins aren't an adequate source for Jesus.

The trouble, once again, comes from trying to determine what is true and what is not. They can guess
or even make educated guesses but Josephus is not regarded as a strong point for the existence of Jesus simply because wading through his testimony and its differences between texts is very, very difficult.

Most say that there is a reference, but that doesn't really say anything since it came after 60 years and even in spite of that: It's got known forgeries and suspected forgeries.

Dunn is Christian, and states that there are some forgeries (but the mention of Jesus is somehow not), but most agree that the nucleus is okay, just suspect.
Posted by Stacked
Member since Apr 2012
5675 posts
Posted on 7/6/14 at 6:35 pm to
I think it's funny that you treat taking a historian's word who wrote books 60 years after Jesus' death is ridiculous while wondering why I'm being so stubborn by not accepting the opinion of a message board poster 1,980-ish years after Jesus' death.

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It's got known forgeries.


You've shown wikipedia links of those who suspect forgeries, and then you classify them as "known forgeries." It's those sorts of things that make you look immature in conversations.

I don't suppose you can tell me what the "known forgeries" are word for word, without linking to someone who's talking about what they suspect some interpolations may be, could you? I'd like to hear YOUR assessment of Josephus' references to Jesus. Break it down for us who aren't familiar with these "known forgeries."
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