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re: SEC Playoff scenario

Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:06 pm to
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:06 pm to
Okay to answer question about winning conference Championships...You are the "best" team in a group of 8 to 12 teams.

Conference games are tougher to win as are rivalry games than an OOC game, as the teams know each other better than home and home etc

The system you are looking for is a playoff and best way to determine a entry to a playoff is each team to have the same criteria...and right now the best way is a conference championship. Which will take winning up 8 to 9 conference games with generally only 1 loss max. But if you want to look for a computer system, it is bias just as the humans programming the computer is.

The goal of this playoff is to crown a National Champion not determine who the best team, that is what you are not getting. Miami was the best team in 86 but did not win NC, and I can provide more examples. So you are wrong, IMO to think we are trying to find the best team.
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 12:07 pm
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58974 posts
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:11 pm to
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The system you are looking for is a playoff and best way to determine a entry to a playoff is each team to have the same criteria...and right now the best way is a conference championship.


So, you give the Sun Belt Champions equal bragging rights? Sorry.

The SEC generally has 5-6 teams that could contend for a National Championship, while the B1G generally has 2. (And sometimes only 1 tough team) I simply will not believe that a B1G team has it as tough as a SEC team in making the playoffs based on this.
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 12:12 pm
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:01 pm to
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The system you are looking for is a playoff and best way to determine a entry to a playoff is each team to have the same criteria...and right now the best way is a conference championship.


That's not an answer, though. It's tautological. The best way to pick the best is to pick the best from this criterion that you haven't proven is, well, the best because anyone who wins that game must be the best?

You don't answer my question -- how is a conference championship game more meaningful than any other game against a top opponent? If your toughest game of the season is in October against a team that finishes in the top 5 and your conference championship is against a substantially weaker team, how does conference championship prove to be a definitive means of establishing a team's worthiness for the play-off? Last season, for instance, Auburn beating Bama was more impressive than them beating Missouri, but your scenario assumes that the SECCG is somehow a better measuring stick of worthiness....which, no. Once you acknowledge -- and it's really hard to pretend otherwise -- that it's quite possible there are going to be games against better opponents in the regular season than in the CG, you lose any logical standing in your argument because you've singled out one game that has no inherent virtue and decided it absolutely provides a necessary platform for any argument to get into the playoffs. That's just an irrational adherence to an unneeded absolute.

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Again though, the National Champion is not always the best team. How do you figure out who is the best team? the ones with Best Coaches? Best Prospects? Best Offense? Best Defense?


There's no perfect way to establish "the best." Even if every single team played in a massive round-robin, there's always a chance the 2nd or 3rd or 10th best team will somehow emerge on top. But the addition of an irrelevant criterion -- "must win conference championship" -- is a move away from establishing it, not toward. You've essentially eliminated teams by default, and the very second you do that, you run a greater risk of keeping "the best" out of the playing field. You see what I'm saying? You're artificially restricting the field with a standard that doesn't necessarily converge with the standard of "the best."
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 4:06 pm
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