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re: Jamal Peters- Safety - top 5

Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:11 pm to
Posted by Whereisomaha
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:11 pm to
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You aren't worth arguing with on this. I've already shown in this very thread where you thought 3 months ago Derrick Jones was the best CB in the damn league. Now he's back to WR on a team that's one twisted ankle away from disaster at the CB position. All so he can go be receiver #7

Just to educate... DJ is a package WR and CB. He will be in once either the offense or defense is in the redzone. We have three outside WR's in Vince, LT, and Dayall. We would love to not have to use Dayall (RS), and multiple WR's can play outside that are slots (core, pack, quincy). But as far as pure outside WR's we have three. We would like another big physical WR on the outside to compliment treadwell when we get close to the goal line. I am confused as to why this couldnt be Core, but I dont know, and I dont pretend to know like you. He will play 10-15 snaps a game. He isnt 7th on our depth chart, but more of a package type WR. Same deal with CB.

I have no idea how he goes from being a future NFL player to only being a package player, but its not like the rant went out and watched him practice and decided he was that good. Thats what the coaches said. Thats what the writers said. Thats what his play said last year.
Posted by engie
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:31 pm to
This is a reasonable post and point -- and deserves one in return.

I'm pretty sure Freeze said it's a transition period until he's a fulltime receiver at some point this week -- but maybe I misread that? Been a pretty busy week with alot of time on mobile so my apologies if it's wrong or if Freeze is just playing games with us.

Is Freeze overruling Wommack here and "taking care of his offense" kinda in spite of the defense? Wommack seemed non-too-pleased with the swap from what I had heard. Bottom line is -- I don't buy "Jones being buried on the depth chart." No damn way he was passed by Cliff Coleman. Rumor from our side from several days before the game was that he was serving a one game suspension for an "off the field" incident that had been kept quiet. It was denied, of course, but it was awfully strange that he didn't play at all in game 1 while throwing a TrFR in the deep end, initially in a competitive game where one mistake could have been a big momentum swing...

Jones was good against a couple of really good receivers last year. Anyone that denies that is an idiot. In fact, your current staff has done a tremendous job with the element of surprise on some of that stuff like playing guys early/"in strange positions" -- and teams have been slow to adjust and get a good scouting report. IMO a good bit of that stuff is "gimmicky" and is pretty common-sensely exploitable -- but it seems your staff knows this as well and compensates/changes mostly before it catches up to them.

I was always in favor of us offering and chasing Jones and have never denied otherwise. All I heard from our side was that he wasn't quick enough -- and we've been pretty nitpicky with that on outside receivers. He became a very physical corner -- but I heard going into the Egg that it was his matchup that we were going after. Obviously, it didn't happen to any significant extent until Dak got in the game -- and even then, there wasn't shite Jones could have done with those De'Runnya out routes, so you can't really fault him there. We also didn't really trust anyone but Russell to throw deep last year, with that changing a bit for Dak in the bowl game.

Point being -- we thought Jones was exploitable deep and if you could shed him at the LOS, it was just a matter of time before it became a consistent reality. If your staff also saw this -- it would make damn good sense as to why they would make him into a red zone corner...
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