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Our kicking struggles in 2013
Posted on 1/13/14 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 1/13/14 at 2:30 pm
I feel as if this problem is severely overlooked from the past season. Our fieldgoal game was terrible and couldnt be trusted. Alot of times on offense we were well within fieldgoal range but elected to go for it on 4th down (cause we couldnt trust our kickers), come up short and no points to show for it. If we could of just took fieldgoals against scUM we would of won. Ill put it this way, if we had Sturgis this year we probably win the scUM,UG,USCe,Ga Southern game and could of had a more realistic shot of taking down LSU. Are we looking to add any kickers in this class? We need an absolute stud kicker in this recruiting class imo.
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Posted on 1/13/14 at 4:28 pm to olemc999
You do not give many schollys to kickers...period. Look at every school and you will see walk ons...unless they earned a schoolly after being a walk on.
Our staff knows what needs to be done and they have searched all over for a kicker. Good ones are soccer style and maybe coaches need to scout high school soccer games? Kidding...because they probably have already done that.
Our staff knows what needs to be done and they have searched all over for a kicker. Good ones are soccer style and maybe coaches need to scout high school soccer games? Kidding...because they probably have already done that.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 4:32 pm to olemc999
I'm not sure we could have won those games even with a kicker because frankly a lot of situations we were just plain outclassed.
I think we need to just pick a guy and stick with him, you see similar things with quarterbacks who can't make a mistake and get sat down.
A lot of times they asked the kickers some pretty tall orders and the first time the mistake happened, suddenly they're wondering if they'll ever kick again. It can't be good for their psyche.
I think we need to just pick a guy and stick with him, you see similar things with quarterbacks who can't make a mistake and get sat down.
A lot of times they asked the kickers some pretty tall orders and the first time the mistake happened, suddenly they're wondering if they'll ever kick again. It can't be good for their psyche.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 4:59 pm to reel_gator8
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You do not give many schollys to kickers...period. Look at every school and you will see walk ons...unless they earned a schoolly after being a walk on.
That entirely true anymore Reel. UF still does this walkon thing but the top programs are adapting. Im just saying if you can sign a real good one, that can be a hell of a weapon. With the kind of defense Muschamp can field, sometimes a touchdown and about 4 field goals is all you need. It also had to be absolute hell on the offenses mental makeup this year that they could get down to the 15 yardline but if they didnt punch it in they were not gonna get any points.
There are 5 SEC teams that have given the schollys to kickers this season, including LSU and Bama.
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Posted on 1/13/14 at 6:34 pm to olemc999
Wasn't Sturgis pretty shaky in the early days?
Posted on 1/13/14 at 6:50 pm to olemc999
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That entirely true anymore Reel. UF still does this walkon thing but the top programs are adapting. Im just saying if you can sign a real good one, that can be a hell of a weapon. With the kind of defense Muschamp can field, sometimes a touchdown and about 4 field goals is all you need. It also had to be absolute hell on the offenses mental makeup this year that they could get down to the 15 yardline but if they didnt punch it in they were not gonna get any points.
There are 5 SEC teams that have given the schollys to kickers this season, including LSU and Bama.
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Ahhh olemc...you have fallen for a list of kickers that have cast their lot with certain schools....which DOESNT mean they have a scholly yet waiting for them. Teams will give some kickers a status of "preferred walk ons" and Im sure UF has done that already with several kickers. When the smoke of NSD subsides...please get back with me about the schollys given out by those six schools.
Im not saying we shouldnt offer a great kicker...but if none really stick out...then team doesn't waste scholly. Sturgis was one of those who we used a scholly to come to UF and Im glad we did.
We will usually reward special team players a scholly after they have played a while and prove invaluable to us. Afterall....our HC is a former walk on and understands what those kids go through.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 12:16 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
UF was not outclassed in very many games.
UF was within one score in every in the 4th quarter of the Miami, LSU, Mizzou, UGA, USCe, and GA Southern games. That's 6 losses where UF was within ONE SCORE in the 4th quarter.
However, kicking only really caused UF to directly lose one game, and that was the UGA game, and one could make a case for the South Carolina game, maybe.
Yes the kicking wasn't that great, but UF was 4-4 kicking FG's against Mizzou, Miami, and LSU. Yeah, they were afraid to kick from distance, but so are a lot of teams without a potential NFL kicker.
The kicking really went down hill in the 2nd half of the season. It wasn't all THAT bad in the first half.
UF was within one score in every in the 4th quarter of the Miami, LSU, Mizzou, UGA, USCe, and GA Southern games. That's 6 losses where UF was within ONE SCORE in the 4th quarter.
However, kicking only really caused UF to directly lose one game, and that was the UGA game, and one could make a case for the South Carolina game, maybe.
Yes the kicking wasn't that great, but UF was 4-4 kicking FG's against Mizzou, Miami, and LSU. Yeah, they were afraid to kick from distance, but so are a lot of teams without a potential NFL kicker.
The kicking really went down hill in the 2nd half of the season. It wasn't all THAT bad in the first half.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 12:24 am to slayerxing
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Our kicking struggles in 2013
UF was not outclassed in very many games.
UF was within one score in every in the 4th quarter of the Miami, LSU, Mizzou, UGA, USCe, and GA Southern games. That's 6 losses where UF was within ONE SCORE in the 4th quarter.
Im an optimist...but also a realist and we were in games such scum, UGA, USC...but LSU & Mizzou kicked our ever loving azzs. We did better against the girls school than LSU/Mizzou quinela.
And Im not talking about final score...just the domination of LSU & Mizzous DLs against us. Would having a very good kicker have helped in 2013? Yes...we might have won 1 or 2 more games...maybe.
Having an OL would have been much better.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 8:14 am to slayerxing
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UF was not outclassed in very many games.
UF was within one score in every in the 4th quarter of the Miami, LSU, Mizzou, UGA, USCe, and GA Southern games.
I don't want to sound like an a-hole, or someone just wanting to bring this up over and over again.... but being within 7 points to GA Southern IS being outclassed. I'm sorry, but anything other than winning by 3+ TDs against them is a terrible game.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 9:03 am to slayerxing
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UF was not outclassed in very many games
The problem is: Most teams weren't even threatened by us. Mizzou was beating the brakes off of us, Georgia Southern had a lass minute stop but come on, they're a goddamn FCS that didn't even have to throw to beat us.
Vandy was destroying us.
FSU obliterated us.
Miami might be the only contention there but the other teams were never even threatened by our offense and shortened the games with pleasure knowing we couldn't orchestrate a drive.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 9:14 am to GatorsGonnaGata
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UF was not outclassed in very many games.
UF was within one score in every in the 4th quarter of the Miami, LSU, Mizzou, UGA, USCe, and GA Southern games.
I don't want to sound like an a-hole, or someone just wanting to bring this up over and over again.... but being within 7 points to GA Southern IS being outclassed. I'm sorry, but anything other than winning by 3+ TDs against them is a terrible game.
Gata...I think you missed Slays point and that is a good FG kicker may have increased our win total..not that we would have played great game or anything against Ga Southern or others...but I'll take ugly Ws over pretty Ls anyday. No one would accept a loss to Ga Southern unless there some reasons beyond our control...like having a third string qb and seven scholly LBs out for the game in addition to 3 OTs and AA DT etc etc. Gator fans are passionate.
I liked what Roper said in his PC....its the passion of the fans and the intense interest that makes it possible to recruit top talent to UF...when he was asked about fan expectations for the offense at UF....thought that was a great answer.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 12:48 pm to reel_gator8
Yeah, my first point was that we weren't so outclassed as people like to remember.
UF was only down 14-6 to LSU in the 4th quarter, after the defense pitched a shut out for 20 minutes of the 2nd half, but the offense just sucked it up. UF missed an open man in the EZ that could have made the game very interesting.
It was 23-17 against Missouri in the 4th quarter before the meltdown happened due to lack of depth and offensive ineptitude in the 4th. In fact, on the TD drive that mdae it 23-17, UF DOMINATED with Kelvin Taylor and the run game.
My second point is that the kicking game isn't as bad as we thought it was. Despite the close losses, the kicking game only cost Florida 1 game (UGA), maybe 2 if you want to try to say that the USCe game would have been different had UF made that short FG they missed.
The bigger issues were execution issues. In all phases really. Especially in the clutch. If UF executes better next year, it'll look like an entirely different team.
UF was only down 14-6 to LSU in the 4th quarter, after the defense pitched a shut out for 20 minutes of the 2nd half, but the offense just sucked it up. UF missed an open man in the EZ that could have made the game very interesting.
It was 23-17 against Missouri in the 4th quarter before the meltdown happened due to lack of depth and offensive ineptitude in the 4th. In fact, on the TD drive that mdae it 23-17, UF DOMINATED with Kelvin Taylor and the run game.
My second point is that the kicking game isn't as bad as we thought it was. Despite the close losses, the kicking game only cost Florida 1 game (UGA), maybe 2 if you want to try to say that the USCe game would have been different had UF made that short FG they missed.
The bigger issues were execution issues. In all phases really. Especially in the clutch. If UF executes better next year, it'll look like an entirely different team.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:04 pm to reel_gator8
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No one would accept a loss to Ga Southern unless there some reasons beyond our control...like having a third string qb and seven scholly LBs out for the game in addition to 3 OTs
I'm sorry but this is only applicable if the team we're playing is not:
An FCS.
Had 19 scholarship players not even dress.
2 of which were running backs.
Did not complete a single pass.
No matter -how many injuries we had at that point-, there is zero excuse to lose at home to a team that we paid 500,000 dollars to come get their asses kicked.
We paid a team 500,000 to come beat us.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 9:58 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Straws...have you ever watched Ga Tech play? They don't throw passes in triple option offenses...they put a scatback at qb and run...run and run some more. You obviously were not around when I was watching Gator football in the mid-late 1970s when we ran a wishbone triple option offense...I loved it. We had wide receivers at qb (Terry LeCount was ex wr/safety) who couldn't throw the ball downfield 20 yds. Our problem back then was no defense. Anyway....you don't have to throw the ball to win.
I guess by your reasoning that it would have been ok to lose to Ga Southern if we had only paid them 500 bucks for bus fare?
I guess by your reasoning that it would have been ok to lose to Ga Southern if we had only paid them 500 bucks for bus fare?
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:16 pm to reel_gator8
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Straws...have you ever watched Ga Tech play?
Georgia Tech is not Georgia Southern. Georgia Tech can get away with it because they have superior athletes.
We had superior athletes.
More money.
More healthy players.
Higher paid staff.
A more experienced staff.
A more experienced team.
Home-field advantage.
...And we still lost. That says but one thing: Leadership.
And yes, giving 500 dollars as opposed to 500,000 to an FCS to come beat us at home is tolerable. Still sucks, but to know that we gave them more money than possibly their entire football program is worth for them to come beat us is abysmal.
Inexcusable.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 8:14 am to reel_gator8
There is no excuse for a "top tier" division 1 team like Florida to lose to Georgia Southern. Ever.
There is NOTHING you can say, at all, that changes my mind there. Having all those LB's out should have made the game ugly, but losing is inexcusable.
Muschamp seems to have trouble motivating his teams against lesser competition and that is just one more sign of shaky leadership.
There is NOTHING you can say, at all, that changes my mind there. Having all those LB's out should have made the game ugly, but losing is inexcusable.
Muschamp seems to have trouble motivating his teams against lesser competition and that is just one more sign of shaky leadership.
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