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Three years in..... Are you happy with the change to the 3-4?......
Posted on 1/12/13 at 11:31 am
Posted on 1/12/13 at 11:31 am
This isn't a thread about CTG specifically. I'm just curious if people are satisfied with the switch to the 3-4 defensive alignment.......
It has definitely presented some unique challenges....and the results are very far from perfect.
So............Is the 3-4 the right fit for a college program like UGA?
It has definitely presented some unique challenges....and the results are very far from perfect.
So............Is the 3-4 the right fit for a college program like UGA?
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Posted on 1/12/13 at 11:34 am to Jefferson Dawg
Yes, more stud HS linebackers than DE's now a days.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 11:36 am to Jefferson Dawg
I like it so far. I like getting more athletes on the field at LB since it's easier to find than big athletic DL. I also like the ability to give multiple looks out of it like bringing Jarvis up and giving a 4-3. That said it seems harder to stop the run out of it if you don't have a nose that will take over the game.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 11:58 am to Jefferson Dawg
No sure yet. We certainly haven't been good against the run with Grantham's 3-4 defense but then we were even worse with the 4-3 and Martinez. I think finding the right NG with depth is going to be an ongoing issue. If your NG gets handled by the opposing Center, then that frees up 2 OL on each side of the Center top blow out against single DE's opening up the running game. Yea, you've got an extra LB to supposedly fill the gaps but in our case too often that's after the RB has already gotten 3 yards and with momentum another yard or 2. Against running teams like Bama, LSU and Florida, I think we are better off with 4 down athletic linemen in the 300 lb range instead of having 3 fat asses in the 330-350 lb range. Of course against a team like Boise that throws a lot of underneath routes, clearly having an extra athletic LB is a big advantage. Maybe our problem has not been playing smart as a unit and too many slow LB's like Washington and not enough athletic LB's like Ogletree and Jarvis. One thing that really stands out about Bama and LSU is their super talented LB's.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 12:16 pm to Jefferson Dawg
I was sold until the Alabama game, followed by the Nebraska game, ie rushing yards. Throw South Carolina in there too. The only 3 teams we played with a good running game all gashed our defense.
3-4 is popular in NFL because it's a passing league.
Realizing that 3 big linemen is not as good as 4 big linemen. And when you are bringing in another linebacker for that 4th rusher, all you are really doing is playing a 4-3 with an undersized DE.
I like the 3-4 as one scheme in a multiple of schemes, maybe play a 3-4 in some situations, but as a base defense in the SEC with many running threats on your schedule, I'm not sold.
Bama runs a 3-4, still trying to figure out what it is they are doing different to make it work for them.. I see them in a 4-3 alot, maybe they've just got a bigger OLB and looks like a 4-3. I don't really know. I'm just an internet schmuck.
3-4 is popular in NFL because it's a passing league.
Realizing that 3 big linemen is not as good as 4 big linemen. And when you are bringing in another linebacker for that 4th rusher, all you are really doing is playing a 4-3 with an undersized DE.
I like the 3-4 as one scheme in a multiple of schemes, maybe play a 3-4 in some situations, but as a base defense in the SEC with many running threats on your schedule, I'm not sold.
Bama runs a 3-4, still trying to figure out what it is they are doing different to make it work for them.. I see them in a 4-3 alot, maybe they've just got a bigger OLB and looks like a 4-3. I don't really know. I'm just an internet schmuck.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 12:27 pm to Jefferson Dawg
I am a fan of the 3-4. I think what what happened was that we kind of got away from our base 3-4 and started running more of our Nickel package, with only 2 down linemen. I noticed this a lot at the end of the Bama game, and the first half of the Nebraska game. I think next year if we have more depth on the line, we will be fine.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 1:12 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Hypo-Conversation between Richt and Grantham-
Richt: So, how are we going to improve the run defense with the 3-4 next year?
Grantham: Well, we had a hard time this year because we didn't have a dominating nose tackle, it was too easy for the offense to block him.
Richt: I agree Todd, but John Jenkins and Kwame Geathers are about as good as you are going to get at that position at this level. Every once in a while a real freak will come through, but that is the exception rather than the rule. Secondly, both Kwame and John are going go be in the NFL next year.
Grantham: I understand that Mark. We need a little more work with the linebackers to get them better at reading the run vs pass, and how to be in position a little bit better than they have been.
Richt: Again Todd, I agree. The problem is that you only get 15 hours a week with these guys, that's the NCAA rule. We could hire you 9 more "off field" assistants like Saban and risk major NCAA sanctions, so you can have more instruction with the players, but we aren't going to do that. There is too much risk involved for this program.
Grantham: I know, I know. We need to get smarter players that actually "get it" with less instruction, better recruiting.
Richt: That would be ideal, but we are bringing in the best talent in the country. To screen them all for IQ during the recruiting process is going to run them away [smirks].
Grantham: We don't really need to do any of all this, I just need another year with the guys and you'll see a serious improvement.
Richt: I have no doubt about it, Todd, the problem is that you are going to lose players every year, you might only get 1 or 2 years at best with your best players before they move on to the NFL. You aren't going to get 3 or 4 years to coach up these kids.
Grantham: Well, I guess we'll have to go to a 4-3.
Richt: So, how are we going to improve the run defense with the 3-4 next year?
Grantham: Well, we had a hard time this year because we didn't have a dominating nose tackle, it was too easy for the offense to block him.
Richt: I agree Todd, but John Jenkins and Kwame Geathers are about as good as you are going to get at that position at this level. Every once in a while a real freak will come through, but that is the exception rather than the rule. Secondly, both Kwame and John are going go be in the NFL next year.
Grantham: I understand that Mark. We need a little more work with the linebackers to get them better at reading the run vs pass, and how to be in position a little bit better than they have been.
Richt: Again Todd, I agree. The problem is that you only get 15 hours a week with these guys, that's the NCAA rule. We could hire you 9 more "off field" assistants like Saban and risk major NCAA sanctions, so you can have more instruction with the players, but we aren't going to do that. There is too much risk involved for this program.
Grantham: I know, I know. We need to get smarter players that actually "get it" with less instruction, better recruiting.
Richt: That would be ideal, but we are bringing in the best talent in the country. To screen them all for IQ during the recruiting process is going to run them away [smirks].
Grantham: We don't really need to do any of all this, I just need another year with the guys and you'll see a serious improvement.
Richt: I have no doubt about it, Todd, the problem is that you are going to lose players every year, you might only get 1 or 2 years at best with your best players before they move on to the NFL. You aren't going to get 3 or 4 years to coach up these kids.
Grantham: Well, I guess we'll have to go to a 4-3.
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