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re: Calling BTHog to the flight deck.

Posted on 10/26/12 at 1:07 pm to
Posted by TheOtherWhiteMeat
Fort Smith
Member since Nov 2009
19940 posts
Posted on 10/26/12 at 1:07 pm to
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Please, provide me with proof that it isn't being enforced? Any studies? Any legislation? Any proof at all? Of course you don't have any.


You're right, I don't have any, but neither do you that it is. Saying that there's legislation doesn't mean that it's enforced. I have my own experience with it, as do many that I know.

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I quoted what you said. You said that their lack of education isn't why they have trouble landing jobs. That is wrong. Simply wrong.


I said they have problems holding jobs, that their education and getting a job wasn't an issue. And that isn't wrong. Maybe if you included Vietnam era and those soon after.

I know a very large number of Veterans, very few of which have ever had a problem getting a job.


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You're the one that gave me that statistic! I am simply responding to what you typed. How am I assuming anything?


You assumed that that number wasn't those of which have seen actual combat.

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I guess the only assumption I'm making is that you aren't pulling numbers out of your arse, but I guess that is up to question now as well according to what you are saying.


Those numbers are from the VA, and they were actually 25%, I lowered it. There's not any question about what I'm saying, you've tried to twist what I've said 3 different times and I've corrected you.
Posted by bpfergu
Member since Jun 2011
3485 posts
Posted on 10/26/12 at 1:40 pm to
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You're right, I don't have any, but neither do you that it is. Saying that there's legislation doesn't mean that it's enforced. I have my own experience with it, as do many that I know.


Are you shitting me? I'm sorry, but the burden of proof is not on me. I don't have to provide proof of a federal law. That's like someone telling me to prove that the sky is blue or that grass is green.

You want proof? How about the simple fact that these agencies are committing a FEDERAL OFFENSE if they don't follow the guidelines. Or what about the law was passed in 1988 that required the Department of Labor to report agencies' violations of veterans' preference and failure to list vacancies with State employment services to the Office of Personnel Management for enforcement. What proof do you have that they aren't working? Are you going to tell me that every government agency is committing a federal offense? Or that every single one is committing fraud in giving falsified numbers to the Office of Personnel Management? That is basically what you are saying if you come back and say that they aren't working.

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I said they have problems holding jobs, that their education and getting a job wasn't an issue. And that isn't wrong. Maybe if you included Vietnam era and those soon after.

I know a very large number of Veterans, very few of which have ever had a problem getting a job.


I'm not playing the semantic game with you. What you said is clear as day:

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Vets that have trouble landing a job after their military service have trouble not because of their education or skill set, but because of other factors...


I'm not arguing about their ability to get an education. I'm not arguing that having military experience doesn't look good on the resume. I'm arguing with what you said in the above quote, and that is that the lack of education isn't the primary reason they can't secure jobs after leaving the military. That is simply false. You can twist your words in whatever way you want to, but you said what you said and that is simply not true.

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You assumed that that number wasn't those of which have seen actual combat.


I didn't assume anything other than that you knew what you were talking about, but I guess I assumed too much. You said 20% have seen combat and I went with that. I'll be sure to find my own numbers from here on out because you've clearly indicated yours are full of shite. Thanks for the heads up at least!

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Those numbers are from the VA, and they were actually 25%, I lowered it. There's not any question about what I'm saying, you've tried to twist what I've said 3 different times and I've corrected you.


You truly are unbelievable. You give me phony numbers and you say I'M the one trying to twist things? It is a good thing you aren't a lawyer because you are absolutely horrible at all of this.
This post was edited on 10/26/12 at 1:41 pm
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