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re: Calling BTHog to the flight deck.

Posted on 10/26/12 at 11:45 am to
Posted by TheOtherWhiteMeat
Fort Smith
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/26/12 at 11:45 am to
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Wtf does the Patriot Act have to do with anything? So what you are saying is that a well-established act that has been well-known, amended, and implemented for nearly 70 years doesn't work. Gotcha.



It has to do with legislation that isn't enforced. You seem mad.


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No, your EXACT words were: Vets that have trouble landing a job after their military service have trouble not because of their education or skill set, but because of other factors...


What does this have to do with what I said about "with all other things being equal"?

Not every job out there require a degree, if they did you'd be correct about this whole argument. Again, you seem stuck in your own little world.

And I never said your field is limited, I said you seem limited to your field.

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You say 20% of soldiers have seen "combat", right? And obviously "combat" can mean a lot of things. So the "average" solder has NOT seen combat.


You're assuming. There's no way to know if these figures are those that have seen actual combat or not or just those that were in a combat zone. Given that most of us know that our forces have been stressed since 911, I'll guess that that's those that have actually been in combat, but my guess is no better than yours.


ETA: /thread hijack on my part.
This post was edited on 10/26/12 at 12:08 pm
Posted by bpfergu
Member since Jun 2011
3485 posts
Posted on 10/26/12 at 12:38 pm to
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It has to do with legislation that isn't enforced. You seem mad.


I'm not mad at all, actually. By the way simply saying it "isn't enforced" is not viable evidence. Please, provide me with proof that it isn't being enforced? Any studies? Any legislation? Any proof at all? Of course you don't have any.

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What does this have to do with what I said about "with all other things being equal"?

Not every job out there require a degree, if they did you'd be correct about this whole argument. Again, you seem stuck in your own little world.

And I never said your field is limited, I said you seem limited to your field.


I quoted what you said. You said that their lack of education isn't why they have trouble landing jobs. That is wrong. Simply wrong.

However, I'll play along. Let's assume that they do have the equivalent education and let's go back to your quote. So you are saying that, despite having the proper education and skill set, they STILL have trouble landing jobs? So wouldn't that mean that being in the military is actually HURTING their chance of getting a job? According to what you said, there are other factors involved that are the direct result of being in the military (having to work autonomously, working in an unstructured environment, or because of combat stress).

So which is it? Are they not getting jobs because of lack of education or because of issues that have been created from being in the military? Seems like a lose-lose to me either way.

Of course not every job requires a degree. I never said that was the case. I said that jobs that DO require a degree aren't going to make exceptions to people in the military just because they were in the military. That would just be dumb and wreckless. Those people are not qualified to do those jobs and should not get special privelages just because they were a soldier.

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You're assuming. There's no way to know if these figures are those that have seen actual combat or not or just those that were in a combat zone. Given that most of us know that our forces have been stressed since 911, I'll guess that that's those that have actually been in combat, but my guess is no better than yours.


You're the one that gave me that statistic! I am simply responding to what you typed. How am I assuming anything? I guess the only assumption I'm making is that you aren't pulling numbers out of your arse, but I guess that is up to question now as well according to what you are saying.

Once again, I don't know what this has to do with what we are talking about and, even so, this added stress from combat you keep bringing up seems like further evidence to me that being in the military is actually HURTING your ability to secure a job afterwards.
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