re: Calling BTHog to the flight deck.

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So is the Patriot Act. Very loose legislation that has almost zero enforcement. From experience I can tell you these are more suggestions than law.

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Wtf does the Patriot Act have to do with anything?

So what you are saying is that a well-established act that has been well-known, amended, and implemented for nearly 70 years doesn't work. Gotcha.

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I'm not sure how this conversation got side tracked, at least from my stand-point, but I never argued otherwise. My argument was that military experience could tip the scales when all else is equal. You also seem very limited to the fields you're talking about (engineering).

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No, your EXACT words were:

Vets that have trouble landing a job after their military service have trouble not because of their education or skill set, but because of other factors...

That is absolutely incorrect. Military experience =/= a college degree. Nearly every professional job in existence now requires a degree. Those people have trouble landing jobs after their service because they are UNDER-QUALIFIED for those positions.

You say my field is limited, but I challenge you to try to prove to me otherwise. Please, give me some examples of careers that typically require degrees that will make exceptions for people who were in the military. Show me some examples from medicine, computer science, engineering, architecture, social services, law...ANYTHING.

Now I agree that, if all else equal, having previous military experience could help pad your resume but that is AFTER those people acquired the necessary education. However, that isn't what you initially said, as I showed above.

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This is where you show that your experience is narrow. This is an apples to oranges argument. First of all, what the hell is the "average soldier"? Currently there are nearly 1.5M active military personnel,20% of those have seen combat (70% of Marines). Do the math. That's just CURRENT troops.

Second, the risks you may face elsewhere are of a different variety, they can have a life long affect on a person. Have you ever been shot/injured in combat, totally helpless, while your buddies are getting plastered by enemy fire? Have you ever watched your buddy get riped apart from an IED? No? Neither have oil rig workers.

Dramatic? Yes. Very real? Absolutely.

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You say 20% of soldiers have seen "combat", right? And obviously "combat" can mean a lot of things. So the "average" solder has NOT seen combat.

You can play the hypothetical card here all you want but the simple fact of the matter is that most people in the military have not been in the situations you speak of, and even if they have been, that is what they signed up to it. Not saying that I don't respect them for it, but from personal experience most people I know joined for the pay check, not to be some hero who wants to go into battle and kill people. Either way, it's a silly thing to discuss and really doesn't have anything to do with anything.

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No, I'm in the medical field. And no, military experience alone didn't get me my job, but it sure in the hell didn't hurt me.

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I never said it would hurt you. I actually said the opposite. However, as you are basically saying, the education you have acquired is what got you your position, not your past military experience. You had to actively go out and pursue additional education not related to your military background to further yourself. That's all I'm saying. Being in the military is not enough.