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re: Regarding my argument about Ole Miss not being able to compete because..
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:24 am to DCRebel
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:24 am to DCRebel
Saban at Bama has been successful culling less productive players from his team. And in some ways Nutt is doing the same thing--not all of OM's losses are guys that don't make it to campus.
On one hand, culling players allows a team to sign more on signing day, thereby increasing the chances of finding that "diamond in the rough".
But there is something to be said about giving players more time to develop. We all know of players that didn't seem to mentally "get it" or physically mature until their junior or senior years.
Patrick Willis, Mike Wallace, and even Eli Manning. State had a walkon that finally worked his way to a starting LB position by his senior year. If Mullen had cut him after his sophomore year, then we would have been starting a less productive player in his place. Another good example is Relf--many schools would have cut him by his sophomore year, but now he's going to be in the top half of SEC QB's.
State's low attrition seems almost unusual among SEC schools (but more common outside the SEC). It should result in better APR's and graduation rates. Mullen can sell the low attrition as a positive to recruits---much less chance of getting cut and more chance of graduating.
We will just have see if it works or not.
On one hand, culling players allows a team to sign more on signing day, thereby increasing the chances of finding that "diamond in the rough".
But there is something to be said about giving players more time to develop. We all know of players that didn't seem to mentally "get it" or physically mature until their junior or senior years.
Patrick Willis, Mike Wallace, and even Eli Manning. State had a walkon that finally worked his way to a starting LB position by his senior year. If Mullen had cut him after his sophomore year, then we would have been starting a less productive player in his place. Another good example is Relf--many schools would have cut him by his sophomore year, but now he's going to be in the top half of SEC QB's.
State's low attrition seems almost unusual among SEC schools (but more common outside the SEC). It should result in better APR's and graduation rates. Mullen can sell the low attrition as a positive to recruits---much less chance of getting cut and more chance of graduating.
We will just have see if it works or not.
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Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:31 am to MedDawg
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Patrick Willis, Mike Wallace, and even Eli Manning.
Patrick Willis was making big plays in 2003 if I'm not mistaking. Especially that Alabama game. But yes, he did develop better, but he was already looked at as a stud on defense his freshman year. No coach in their right mind would cut him.
Eli Manning, was making big plays from the time he first stepped onto the field in the Music City Bowl in 2000. Eli had one bad year in 2002. But the kid was breaking records every year while at Ole Miss. It's not like he just all of a sudden became a star his Senior season. He was great throughout his whole career.
Posted on 2/11/11 at 11:36 am to MedDawg
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Saban at Bama has been successful culling less productive players from his team. And in some ways Nutt is doing the same thing--not all of OM's losses are guys that don't make it to campus.
True, and I believe this to be the case in most (if not all) of the players the OP listed.
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But there is something to be said about giving players more time to develop. We all know of players that didn't seem to mentally "get it" or physically mature until their junior or senior years.
Also agree. And it's why we hire a coach. He's the expert in identifying talent who needs coaching, and "talent" who needs to be let go.
All we can do is trust him, and then fire his arse when he proves he's not good at it.
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Patrick Willis, Mike Wallace, and even Eli Manning. State had a walkon that finally worked his way to a starting LB position by his senior year. If Mullen had cut him after his sophomore year, then we would have been starting a less productive player in his place. Another good example is Relf--many schools would have cut him by his sophomore year, but now he's going to be in the top half of SEC QB's.
P-Willie was more a victim of the Shrimper being a slack jawed idiot who didn't reward talent with playing time. He was VERY good during his whole time here, HC was a moron.
Wallace needed a QB to get him the ball. Shrimper made sure that didn't happen until his Senior season. With someone to get him the ball for 3 or 4 seasons, he might have broken every SEC receiving record out there.
Eli definitely got better as his career went on, but he had a pretty terrible Junior year if I remember right. But, some say it's because the rest of the team sucked it up. So, there's that.
Agree on Relf. He's gotten better both because of his comfort level, as well as the talent level around him. But, he'll be in the top half of SEC qb's at least partly because there aren't many really good QB's in the SEC next year.
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State's low attrition seems almost unusual among SEC schools (but more common outside the SEC). It should result in better APR's and graduation rates. Mullen can sell the low attrition as a positive to recruits---much less chance of getting cut and more chance of graduating.
I'll give you better APR's and grad rates. This is true. But, and I'm not trying to sound callous here, I want wins and I really don't care about attrition, APR (unless it's affecting scollies) and grads. Honestly, I'd rather have such a powerhouse built up that almost all of our skill guys leave for the NFL after their Junior year. If we never graduated another WR, QB, RB, CB or LB ever again because they were going straight to the league, I'd be hella-contented.
This post was edited on 2/11/11 at 11:39 am
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