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Posted on 9/29/09 at 5:31 pm to ShreveportBama
Fine, I'll bring in Texas, UCLA, Colorado, UVA, and William and Mary into the mix. What I am trying to say is that this topic is pointless. The majority of SEC schools (excluding Vanderbilt) are interchangable.
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Posted on 9/29/09 at 5:32 pm to LSUbase13
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Texas, UCLA, UVA, and William and Mary into the mix.
God damn that's a diverse group.
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The majority of SEC schools (excluding Vanderbilt) are interchangable.
Agreed. It all depends on what you're wanting to do.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 5:58 pm to ShreveportBama
Let's not blame Mississippi's failures completely on blacks, because MS has an extremely high percentage of Choctaw Indians at their schools.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 6:30 pm to SloMeaux
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How can anything from the state of Mississippi (especially north MS)
Our student base is 40% out of state.
Usually from suburbs of big cities like Nashville, Memphis, Atlanta, Tampa, Miami, St. Louis, ect.
Most of the poor people in state go to State, too.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 6:34 pm to ShreveportBama
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Rather than looking at admission requirements, a good assessment of freshmen academic quality is the 25%-75% ACT scores. I would say GPA, but that can be slanted by shitty schools.
LSU would have slipped me scholarship money.
I love it when LSU fans: a great number of whom have never seen a college classroom. Make fun of admission requirements. State and Ole Miss have the 18 act thing so that poor, (black), stupid people can get into college.
The average ACT score at both schools is over 23. (20 is average)
Posted on 9/29/09 at 6:44 pm to inelishaitrust
First off, the undergraduate population at Ole Miss is 12,762. That is taken directly from Ole Miss' website. Alabama's undergraduate population is over 28,000.
Secondly, no one is impressed that your Honors College has comparable scores to the entirety of Vanderbilt University. Alabama also has an Honors College that requires a minimum ACT score of 28 (going to 30 next year) and enrolls 1 out of every 3 freshmen. The whole point of an Honors College is to have intelligent, high-scoring students; don't act like a tiny percentage of your undergraduates reflect on the quality of your entire institution.
Further, only 60% of applicants are admitted to Alabama. 83% are admitted to Ole Miss.
Also, Alabama has more Truman, Fulbright, and Goldwater Scholars than Ole Miss and currently enrolls almost 4 times as many National Merit Finalists (second in the SEC to Florida).
Nice try, but Ole Miss is not even close to Alabama's level of academic achievement (or LSU's or Tennessee's or Auburn's).
Secondly, no one is impressed that your Honors College has comparable scores to the entirety of Vanderbilt University. Alabama also has an Honors College that requires a minimum ACT score of 28 (going to 30 next year) and enrolls 1 out of every 3 freshmen. The whole point of an Honors College is to have intelligent, high-scoring students; don't act like a tiny percentage of your undergraduates reflect on the quality of your entire institution.
Further, only 60% of applicants are admitted to Alabama. 83% are admitted to Ole Miss.
Also, Alabama has more Truman, Fulbright, and Goldwater Scholars than Ole Miss and currently enrolls almost 4 times as many National Merit Finalists (second in the SEC to Florida).
Nice try, but Ole Miss is not even close to Alabama's level of academic achievement (or LSU's or Tennessee's or Auburn's).
Posted on 9/29/09 at 6:50 pm to RMFTBama
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Ole Miss is not even close to Alabama's level of academic achievement (or LSU's or Tennessee's or Auburn's).
Let's not even include that of Vandy, UGA, and Florida.... that's an obvious.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 6:55 pm to JoLeUGA
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Let's not even include that of Vandy, UGA, and Florida.... that's an obvious.
Georgia is a very good school, but it isn't quite as prestigious as many UGA fans seem to believe. It's not even in the top 50 schools in the country. Vanderbilt is in the top 20.
So, needless to say, the difference between UGA and Alabama or Auburn is much smaller than the difference between UGA and Vanderbilt.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 6:55 pm to RMFTBama
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First off, the undergraduate population at Ole Miss is 12,762.
Maybe 10 years ago.
It's over 18,000 this year.
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Alabama also has an Honors College that requires a minimum ACT score of 28
It's the same at Ole Miss, except ours is ranked #3 in the country behind Penn State's and Maryland's.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 7:05 pm to inelishaitrust
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It's the same at Ole Miss, except ours is ranked #3 in the country behind Penn State's and Maryland's.
I think Bama has more to be proud of in the regard that it has many more students able to enroll in their Honors College.
Also, ITT: Pissing contest that has little relevance except when just starting out in a field. You'll succeed in a particular field through one's own intelligence and drive, not through your university.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 7:06 pm to inelishaitrust
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Maybe 10 years ago.
Really? I guess that's why the website says, "All figures are based on the 2008-2009 Academic Year." So I guess your number of incoming freshmen approximately tripled from last year? That's believable.
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It's the same at Ole Miss, except ours is ranked #3 in the country behind Penn State's and Maryland's.
That's not something most people would brag about, but I suppose at Ole Miss there aren't many outlets for pride. Most universities throughout the country (particularly the prestigious ones) don't have Honors Colleges. This would be the equivalent of Auburn saying they had a "Top 5 Bovine Sciences Program," which they probably do. But considering maybe, say, 8 schools have such a program, that doesn't equate to some sort of national reputation for excellence.
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Posted on 9/29/09 at 7:07 pm to RMFTBama
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Georgia is a very good school, but it isn't quite as prestigious as many UGA fans seem to believe. It's not even in the top 50 schools in the country. Vanderbilt is in the top 20.
So, needless to say, the difference between UGA and Alabama or Auburn is much smaller than the difference between UGA and Vanderbilt.
Georgia is ranked #58 in the country, it's neck and neck with Ohio State University.
The difference between UGA and Vandy is much much smaller than the difference between Alabama or Auburn and Vandy.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 7:15 pm to JoLeUGA
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The difference between UGA and Vandy is much much smaller than the difference between Alabama or Auburn and Vandy.
The difference there being that Alabama and Auburn graduates aren't naive enough to compare their degree prestige with that of a Vanderbilt student; Georgia graduates, on the other hand, are naive enough to do that.
I hate to break it to you, but outside of the south, not many employers would differentiate degrees from Georgia and Alabama. The schools in the south that are highly respected are, in no particular order: Duke, Vanderbilt, Emory, UNC, Wake Forest, Virginia, and W&M. I may have left out one or two, but that about sums it up.
Any notion that Georgia and/or Florida (although Florida's reputation is probably more well-known) are these highly-esteemed universities with a reputation rivaling Vanderbilt's is ridiculous.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 7:17 pm to RMFTBama
I never compared UGA's or Florida's reputation to Vanderbilt's. However, I did state that those 3 schools are the top educationally in the SEC.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 7:36 pm to RMFTBama
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Really? I guess that's why the website says, "All figures are based on the 2008-2009 Academic Year." So I guess your number of incoming freshmen approximately tripled from last year? That's believable.
I got my stats for from the Institution of Higher learning, which is in charge of all of the public universities in Mississippi. we have 15,833 undergrad (2,412 in grad school) We had a 700 student gain since last year.
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Posted on 9/29/09 at 7:39 pm to RMFTBama
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I hate to break it to you, but outside of the south, not many employers would differentiate degrees from Georgia and Alabama.
This is true.
The individual school matters a ton too.
Ole Miss accounancy and pharma grads probably have an easier time finding jobs than your average Bama business school grad.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 7:43 pm to inelishaitrust
The same can honestly be said about other schools in other regions.
Outside the North, not many employers would differentiate degrees from Wisconsin and Purdue, Iowa and Indiana... etc.
Outside the North, not many employers would differentiate degrees from Wisconsin and Purdue, Iowa and Indiana... etc.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 7:45 pm to JoLeUGA
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Outside the North, not many employers would differentiate degrees from Wisconsin and Purdue, Iowa and Indiana... etc.
If I'm the employer I'm looking at the rest of the resume and the interview. All a degree really proves is that you'll stick with something you start.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 8:38 pm to RMFTBama
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Alabama also has an Honors College that requires a minimum ACT score of 28 (going to 30 next year)
Ole Miss' is already at 30, loser. Also, you completely missed the point of my post. I was saying that the only reason Ole Miss and MS State have low standards is because the state supreme court (foolishly) mandated it. Yet, despite this setback, both have good academic opportunities.
Guess what, I got into Bama. I got into Florida and Vandy as well. I could therefore reasonably say that I could have been accepted into every SEC school had I applied. I chose Ole Miss and in no way feel like my education suffered as a result.
Here's a sad, sad truth about humanity: most people are either ready to be educated or already damaged goods by the time they're 18. No university can fix that. At that rate, it's just a matter of what someone wants to educate themselves in and where.
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Also, Alabama has more Truman, Fulbright, and Goldwater Scholars than Ole Miss
Well Ole Miss has more Rhodes Scholars than Alabama... by TEN. 25 to 15. Cherry-pick all you want.
You're no fool and neither am I, so what's your fricking point here?
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