re: Let's talk expansion. UVA or Va Tech

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My History of Warfare to 1865 professor used to call North Carolina "A valley of dissention amongst two Mountains of Conceit That answers the question about Virginia

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I’d always heard it as “a vale of humility between two mountains of conceit” in reference to the unbelievable plantation wealth in Tidewater VA and Lowcountry SC. NC has some nice antebellum homes but those two states were really big in that regard.