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Posted on 3/24/16 at 11:32 am to JustGetItRight
Posted on 3/24/16 at 11:32 am to JustGetItRight
People called for his head after year 4, but during year 5 was when I jumped on the fire Grant bandwagon and after that season is when he should've been fired. I still think Grant will be a solid collegiate coach when he gets back into the college game. He kind of reminds me of Bo Ryan in terms of style (not saying he's that good). And Ryan has shown that that style of play can work. Just wasn't the right fit here.
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 12:20 pm to BigBird09
he may stay in the NBA
Posted on 3/24/16 at 12:36 pm to mrbroker
Naw he will come back if he wants to be a head coach. He couldn't survive in the NBA. He is just too quiet. What got Grant fired was the standing around on offense.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:20 pm to Tide or Die87
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What got Grant fired was the standing around on offense.
That certainly didn't help, but I don't think that's what got him fired. The attrition during his tenure was terrible. During the first four years, he recruited pretty well.
Tony Mitchell
Trevor Releford
Trevor Lacey
Levi Randolph
Nick Jacobs
Devonte Pollard
Ricky Tarrant
Were all 4* or better recruits. Of those, only Releford and Randolph finished their career at Bama. The rest left the program and except for Mitchell (currently playing pro ball in Europe) went on to have productive careers if not star at their new school.
If that wasn't bad enough, he had a total lack of energy when it came to selling the program. Bruce Pearl's won 20 games in two years at Auburn and they're more excited about their situation than Bama fans were after three consecutive 21+ win seasons but you can't fire a guy that's winning that many games.
Problem was, the foundation was unstable. The constant lack of player retention and development started to show on the recruiting trail, which led to poor on court performance and that combined with a lack of energy and enthusiasm by the coach led to a decline in fan interest.
It was a death spiral from which there was no escape and that's what got him fired.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:24 pm to JustGetItRight
Do y'all think Dayton would target Anthony Grant or at least have him on the list as a candidate once Miller leaves? Grant played there and proved he could coach at a small school like VCU so that's why I'm asking
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:34 pm to Bamafan15
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Do y'all think Dayton would target Anthony Grant or at least have him on the list as a candidate once Miller leaves?
I would have Dayton as the strongest possibility and Minnesota, once Pitino leaves, would probably be an option as well.
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 3/24/16 at 1:55 pm to BigBird09
I'm so glad we didn't get stuck with Pitino 
Posted on 3/24/16 at 2:02 pm to Bamafan15
UAB coach Haase is a leading candidate for the Stanford job
If he leaves, they have some really good players who may want to transfer. I hope if that happens, Avery takes a good look at that situation. ESPECIALLY if William Lee transfers!!!
If he leaves, they have some really good players who may want to transfer. I hope if that happens, Avery takes a good look at that situation. ESPECIALLY if William Lee transfers!!!
Posted on 3/24/16 at 2:24 pm to JustGetItRight
quote:Sweet Jesus! Granted ran off a lot of fricking talent
Tony Mitchell
Trevor Releford
Trevor Lacey
Levi Randolph
Nick Jacobs
Devonte Pollard
Ricky Tarrant
Posted on 3/24/16 at 3:01 pm to MontyFranklyn
he didn't run pollard off ... kid's mom took care of that ...
Posted on 3/24/16 at 3:45 pm to tiderider
He didn't run Pollard off, but he did take a huge risk in that class and only sign him. As a result, it shot back in his face.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 3:54 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Sweet Jesus! Granted ran off a lot of fricking talent
It's actually worse.
I just listed the 4* and 5* recruits. There were also solid but not spectacular contributors and/or part time starters. Right off the top of my head, there was Charles Hankerson, Ben Eblen, Algie Key, Carl Engstrom, and Moussa Gueye (probably butchered the spelling of that one) and I'm probably forgetting some.
It is entirely possible that Anthony Grant really can coach. What he can't do is manage players and a roster.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 4:00 pm to JustGetItRight
I'm not the guy to defend Grant but he didn't recruit all those kids. Releford graduated and so did Levi. Mitchell had an attitude problem and needed to go. Jacobs, Hankerson, Eblen, and Engstrom shouldn't had even got offers IMO. How you call Veblen or Engstrom solid just shows that you are on some frick grant shite in stead of stating facts.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 4:18 pm to JustGetItRight
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Tony Mitchell
Trevor Releford
Trevor Lacey
Levi Randolph
Nick Jacobs
Devonte Pollard
Ricky Tarrant
You cant forget Rodney Cooper either. I remember during our tournament year after Grant suspended Green, Releford, Lacey, and Mitchel, Cooper had like 31 points against LSU.
I was fully bought in when Grant got here. Honestly, I was still 100% in after the 3rd year, even though the tournament year IMO was a disappointment. After the 4th year when the offense was STILL stagnant and still going through 7-9 minute scoring droughts, dropping games with a comfortable lead, I was ready for a change.
He stayed a year too late also. When he went 13-19 with Releford as a senior, that's when he should have been fired.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 4:21 pm to Gary Busey
I agree. I was at the SEC tourney game that year against LSU when we didn't put up much of a fight. It was ridiculous. I remember some of our fans were sitting in front of us and when the game was almost over and we had no chance of winning, they started leaving and were so mad and complaining saying this was ridiculous. I was mad too but sat there and had hope they would fire him that night. But they didn't.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 5:04 pm to Tide or Die87
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I'm not the guy to defend Grant but he didn't recruit all those kids. Releford graduated and so did Levi. Mitchell had an attitude problem and needed to go. Jacobs, Hankerson, Eblen, and Engstrom shouldn't had even got offers IMO. How you call Veblen or Engstrom solid just shows that you are on some frick grant shite in stead of stating facts.
You might want to (A) actually read my post and (B) research my history before you spout utter drivel like this. I was a very big Grant supporter and I still wish him nothing but the best. I'm nowhere near a 'frick grant' poster. I'm simply relaying actual, easily verified facts.
Now, let's address the myriad of things you got wrong. First, I noted that Releford and Randolph stayed. They were the only ones.
You said 'Grant didn't recruit all those kids'. Well, I guess you can say that's true because he didn't sign Mitchell but otherwise EVERY SINGLE ONE of them was recruited and signed by Anthony Grant's staff. Eblen came in with Mitchell. He was a late add that Grant knew from his VCU tenure.
Now, to the others. I very specifically said solid contributors and/or part time starters. Everyone I listed started games for Alabama and some were solid contributors. Again, as with who signed the players, it would appear that I have stated facts.
Finally, Jacobs and Hankerson shouldn't have got offers? Let's see what the record says AFTER they left Alabama.
Nick Jacobs @ GT: 48% from the floor, 78% from the line, 10.5 PPG 5.8 RB in the ACC. He was the #3 scorer and #2 rebounder on an ACC team that won 21 games. In case you missed it, those are better numbers than any post player on the Alabama roster and he posted them in a much tougher league but he didn't warrant an offer? Really?
How about Hankerson @ Wyoming? As a senior he shot 34% from 3 point land, scored 7 PPG and played 29 minutes a game for a team that made the dance. I guess that's not being a solid contributor?
Let's face it, all I did was "state facts." I'm sorry you really don't understand this basketball thing.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 5:08 pm to JustGetItRight
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Nick Jacobs @ GT: 48% from the floor, 78% from the line, 10.5 PPG 5.8 RB in the ACC. He was the #3 scorer and #2 rebounder on an ACC team that won 21 games
frick I wish he stayed. Posted on 3/24/16 at 5:31 pm to Gary Busey
If we had him this past season, I think we would've made the tourney
Posted on 3/24/16 at 5:45 pm to JustGetItRight
Nick Jacobs was worthy of a scholarship, and his stats are solid, but what his stats don't show, is his horrid defense. It was very rare that he wasn't the worst defender on the floor when he was in. Could have we used him? Yea, but it wouldn't have changed much.
Hankerson was actually considered a solid prospect out of HS, but hindsight definitely proves he wasn't worthy of a scholarship at Alabama. He averaged 6.9 PPG on 37% FG and 45% FT playing against mid-major talent. When he was here he had to have set the national record for charges per minute played. He was never going to play here, hence he left for a mid-major, a level he was far more suited for playing at.
Hankerson was actually considered a solid prospect out of HS, but hindsight definitely proves he wasn't worthy of a scholarship at Alabama. He averaged 6.9 PPG on 37% FG and 45% FT playing against mid-major talent. When he was here he had to have set the national record for charges per minute played. He was never going to play here, hence he left for a mid-major, a level he was far more suited for playing at.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 6:52 pm to BigBird09
He wasn't going to star here and I don't imply otherwise. What he did was what Eblen did - give bodies and a few quality minutes a game.
The bigger point is that the roster management was terrible. Alabama had Kentucky one-and-done type attrition every year without the one-and-done talent part. You can not sustain a program in that situation.
There are only two reasonable explanations. Either the staff was terrible at evaluating recruits from both a talent and program fit standpoint or they were terrible at developing and nurturing them once they got on campus. It doesn't really matter which was the case because they're both the responsibility of the coaching staff.
The bigger point is that the roster management was terrible. Alabama had Kentucky one-and-done type attrition every year without the one-and-done talent part. You can not sustain a program in that situation.
There are only two reasonable explanations. Either the staff was terrible at evaluating recruits from both a talent and program fit standpoint or they were terrible at developing and nurturing them once they got on campus. It doesn't really matter which was the case because they're both the responsibility of the coaching staff.
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 6:53 pm
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