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re: Would you be happy with 11-3?
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:03 am to deeprig9
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:03 am to deeprig9
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10 years without SEC Championship gets you fired.
Not just at UGA, but any school in the SEC.
He was close in 2011 and 2012, instead of building on that momentum, we had 2013,2014, and 2015.
Trajectory bad. Good man, good coach, but ten years is ten years. he knew it too. He said at his press conference when fired that he was burned out, wanted to still coach, but take some time off.
Problem was Miami needed a coach right then, not in a year. So Richt took it, even though he needed a break.
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:52 am to deeprig9
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10 years without SEC Championship gets you fired.
I argue it's even less than that. We only really competed for an SEC Championship 1 time in the last 10 years before he was let go. I would argue that CMR would still be here if he'd have consistently made it to ATL and lost....as long as the games were hard fought. Everyone knows how good AL is.
But we didn't because we were consistently losing to lesser talented TN, SC and FL teams.
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 10:57 am
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:58 am to deeprig9
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He was close in 2011 and 2012, instead of building on that momentum, we had 2013,2014, and 2015.
2013 was blamed on Grantham (only returned 3 starters on defense that year)
2014 was blamed on Gurley's autographs/ACL and Pruitt's new system, and Grantham's bad recruiting, but Pruitt was gonna turn it all around for us...
2015 was blamed on Hutson Mason and Squattenheimer.
At some point you can't blame others.
I will hold Smart to the same standard. Actually I'll hold him to a stricter standard. For me, he has 5 years to win the SEC. I gave Richt ten.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 11:05 am to Jefferson Dawg
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Would you be happy with 11-3? by Jefferson Dawg
Only if 11-3 wins the SEC and gets us in the playoff. We fired Richt to improve, remember?
This would likely be an improvement over where we would have been with richt so what's your point?
Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:10 pm to Kneehigh
Yeah. I would be happy with 11-3. It would show improvement on the part of the team. It would also show improvement in coaching. As long as we show improvement I will be happy. I think we should win at least 10 games this year, though.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:12 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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Only if 11-3 wins the SEC and gets us in the playoff. We fired Richt to improve, remember?
Winning the East would be an improvement. Richt had not gotten us an East championship in a while.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:23 pm to deeprig9
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2013 was blamed on Grantham (only returned 3 starters on defense that year)
We had a ton of injuries, too.
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At some point you can't blame others.
I don't remember Richt blaming it on others. You are confusing fans blaming and coaches blaming....
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I will hold Smart to the same standard. Actually I'll hold him to a stricter standard. For me, he has 5 years to win the SEC. I gave Richt ten.
That's both generous and fair. Until Saban leaves it will be very, very tough to break through. It can be done...but tough. As long as we show improvement, and we look good I can wait.
I still think Kirby will be the answer. However, I will continue to criticize him if he keeps making bad decisions. he will need to grow, just as the team will.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:36 pm to djsdawg
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This would likely be an improvement over where we would have been with richt so what's your point?
Wow. Tarzan even dumber than me thought.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:40 pm to DawgsLife
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Winning the East would be an improvement. Richt had not gotten us an East championship in a while.
Richt won the east six times. Richt more than proved he can win the east. We did not hire Kirby to just do what we know Richt can do. We hired him to do what Richt couldn't do. This thread is terrifying.
***please fight the urge to separate each of my sentences with the quote function and writing a book under each one. That's so annoying how you always do that. Thanks.***
Posted on 6/13/17 at 12:44 pm to DawgsLife
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I don't remember Richt blaming it on others. You are confusing fans blaming and coaches blaming....
I'm not confusing anything. I never said Richt blamed others. I'm talking about the fans. I'm talking about us. This thread is about *us* and *our* expectations as fans.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 1:49 pm to deeprig9
This is what we're up against...
Preseason All SEC First teamers...
Alabama - 9
Georgia - 4
Auburn - 3
LSU - 2
AnM - 2
Florida - 2
Arky - 1
Kentucky - 1
Posted this on SECR, re-posting here.
Bama has more first teamers than the entire East. Also more than the entire West combined.
They are a machine that Richt was never going to be able to build here.
Kirby is our attempt to build that kind of machine for Georgia. Based on last year's recruiting, we are on the way.
This is why Richt was fired. Being #9 in the recruiting every year (yay, top 10!) when number 1,3,4,6,7 were all other SEC teams... being top 10 means jack shite.
He wasn't bringing in the top talent the way Bama does consistently, and under-recruiting on the OL so he could stack up 3 star WDE's.
Preseason All SEC First teamers...
Alabama - 9
Georgia - 4
Auburn - 3
LSU - 2
AnM - 2
Florida - 2
Arky - 1
Kentucky - 1
Posted this on SECR, re-posting here.
Bama has more first teamers than the entire East. Also more than the entire West combined.
They are a machine that Richt was never going to be able to build here.
Kirby is our attempt to build that kind of machine for Georgia. Based on last year's recruiting, we are on the way.
This is why Richt was fired. Being #9 in the recruiting every year (yay, top 10!) when number 1,3,4,6,7 were all other SEC teams... being top 10 means jack shite.
He wasn't bringing in the top talent the way Bama does consistently, and under-recruiting on the OL so he could stack up 3 star WDE's.
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 6/13/17 at 2:08 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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Richt more than proved he can win the east.
Only twice in his final 10 years. One of them was when we beat zero ranked teams, and that was followed up by another one that was due to a lucky schedule break. After that, RIcht had major fails in his final 3 when the east was as weak as ever, which proved he wasn't able to win the east anymore without a ton of help.
So yes, Simply winning the east would be an improvement over 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016. You are either ignoring where Richt was taking the program, which was backwards, or you are too stupid to know where it was going. That negative trend is what got him canned. Kirby was hired to reverse that trend, and the 2017 class should go a long way to accomplishing that.
We would be in a crappier spot right now had we kept Richt around. Imagine a crappy 2016 followed by a crappy 2017 class. If even tarzen recognizes how bad that situation would have been, whats your excuse for being so clueless?
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 6/13/17 at 2:35 pm to djsdawg
For shits and giggles I looked up UGA vs. our biggest SEC East opponents during CMR's last 10 years (2006 - 2015):
vs South Carolina 5-5
This is a SC team that won an average of 8 games per year during this period. I'd hate to see how much lower their recruiting classes were than ours on average as well.
vs. TN 6-4
Tennessee was awful during this period averaging 6.8 wins per year...yet we were within one game of splitting with them. They had THREE coaching changes during this period too.
vs FL 4-6
FL was pretty impressive during the Meyer years with an average of 9.5 wins per year...but some of those were 13 win seasons. They went through TWO coaching changes during this period.
Georgia averaged 9.4 wins per season over this same period. Hard to believe that's basically the same as FL (although theirs is weighted much heavier towards Meyer's term).
Without digging further into it, I have no doubt that we fielded better talent than SC and TN and were on par with FL. We should have dominated SC and TN during this period but basically split with them both.
That's break even at best in your own division with teams that you should've beaten. Anything better than that over the next 10 years will be an improvement.
I'd be thrilled with 11-3 as long as the 11 include FL, SC and TN.
vs South Carolina 5-5
This is a SC team that won an average of 8 games per year during this period. I'd hate to see how much lower their recruiting classes were than ours on average as well.
vs. TN 6-4
Tennessee was awful during this period averaging 6.8 wins per year...yet we were within one game of splitting with them. They had THREE coaching changes during this period too.
vs FL 4-6
FL was pretty impressive during the Meyer years with an average of 9.5 wins per year...but some of those were 13 win seasons. They went through TWO coaching changes during this period.
Georgia averaged 9.4 wins per season over this same period. Hard to believe that's basically the same as FL (although theirs is weighted much heavier towards Meyer's term).
Without digging further into it, I have no doubt that we fielded better talent than SC and TN and were on par with FL. We should have dominated SC and TN during this period but basically split with them both.
That's break even at best in your own division with teams that you should've beaten. Anything better than that over the next 10 years will be an improvement.
I'd be thrilled with 11-3 as long as the 11 include FL, SC and TN.
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 6/13/17 at 2:44 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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Richt won the east six times. Richt more than proved he can win the east. We did not hire Kirby to just do what we know Richt can do. We hired him to do what Richt couldn't do. This thread is terrifying.
I was as big a Richt fan as we had on this board, and criticized Kirby to a fault last season. However, we can't ignore that the East has been down for awhile now, and we managed to win it in 2012 in recent memory.
I agree, we did not hire Kirby to get the same results, which is why we need to win the East, this year.
There really is no excuse for us not to, outside of a large number of injuries. We should win the East this year and next...then win the SEC in 2019. As long as we show reasonable and consistent improvement, I think it is fair.
But I agree with one thing...for anybody to say we are doing better now than we would be if were Richt is here is silly. Nobody knows, of course, but if there is one thing Richt did and did with consistency, it is win 10 games a year.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 2:45 pm to deeprig9
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I'm not confusing anything. I never said Richt blamed others. I'm talking about the fans. I'm talking about us. This thread is about *us* and *our* expectations as fans.
We are on the same page, then. My apologies.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 3:03 pm to DawgsLife
Richt never did that with a freshman qb, so scratch that idea away from last year. Now imagine our 2017 class without its headliners, and that's where we are with richt today.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 3:12 pm to djsdawg
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Richt never did that with a freshman qb, so scratch that idea away from last year. Now imagine our 2017 class without its headliners, and that's where we are with richt today.
Richt won 9 games with a freshman QB, so there's that. Kirby won 8.
Look, I'm not here to criticize Kirby and defend Richt. This thread isn't about that. It is about "Would you be happy with 11-3." I have answered. If you want to criticize me for being happy with 11-3 then do that. Otherwise your point is off topic and moot.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 3:30 pm to DawgsLife
He also won 6 in 2010.
The tangent fits within the original topic.
The tangent fits within the original topic.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 3:37 pm to djsdawg
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He also won 6 in 2010.
Your point? You made a statement, I refuted it. now you want to change the parameters of your statement?
Let me be more plain. I am not going to argue who is the better coach. We have no idea what Kirby can do yet. Why don't you cool your heels and quit trashy the best coach Georgia has ever had and crowning a coach we have no idea about. Kirby might come on and win multiple National Titles here at Georgia. I hope he does, and if he does, I will crown him right along side of you. I don't now why you take Richt so personally.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 3:47 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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Richt won the east six times. Richt more than proved he can win the east. We did not hire Kirby to just do what we know Richt can do. We hired him to do what Richt couldn't do. This thread is terrifying.
Yes, and if Kirby doesn't get us a championship here in the next 4-5 years, he will be shown the door. Richt did it twice in 15 years. Your entire point really sucks.
11 wins after 8 in his first season is an exceptional improvement and I would be happy with that. 9 wins, no. 10 wins, depends. 11 wins, frick yea.
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