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re: Would you be happy with 11-3?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 10:29 am to AirDawg
Posted on 6/14/17 at 10:29 am to AirDawg
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Understandable and fair point, but with the way successes have come for other College teams/Coaches we made the change for one reason and one reason alone. Win Championships.
Absolutely. If we are not going to win Championships, then we could have stayed pat.
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Year two under CKS and we have the roster and schedule to make a 13-1 type run. Our roster is beautiful even with questions at the OL and Receiver positions and even there we have a lot of talent. My expectation are high and I'm tired of hearing excuses.
It could happen. Even for the best of teams, though, things have to fall just right to have a run like that. Even in Alabama's best years, they have had close calls when they shouldn't have and unexplainable losses.
We do have a loaded up roster this year, though, no arguing that point. That is hwy I say we should expect at least a SEC East Championship.
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Not that you are but in general.
I understand. I think we are all getting antsy.
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 10:33 am to TMDawg
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Even making it to Atlanta that year would've been nice. But no we couldn't do that because we lost to USCe at home and got absolutely waxed in Knoxville. When we clearly had the talent to beat both of those teams. Same team that almost lost to Vandy as well.
If you are going to make that point, then you certainly have to heap criticism on last season. We lost to Vandy, GT and Tennessee. We should have won all three of those games. Had we done that, we would have gone to Atlanta. (I don't think we were ready for that, but we could have gone)
Posted on 6/14/17 at 10:36 am to djsdawg
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I am not saying we can't win big now, but I wouldn't bet the jungle on it. I am Saying You haven't learned a thing about being a uga fan the past 35 years.
I understand what you are saying, but if we are going to say, "Well, we lost again....typical Georgia!" then we should have kept Richt. The whole point of hiring Kirby was to stop being the old Georgia and start winning...big. Kirby is supposed to do that for us, isn't he?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 10:37 am to DawgsLife
Make no mistake, the expectation is to win the East, with the exception being if Florida or Tennessee busts out as a top-5 caliber team.
If this season looks anything like 2016, a lot of people, myself included, are going to be feeling some very strong buyer's remorse.
It's time to fricking win football games. Play time is over.
If this season looks anything like 2016, a lot of people, myself included, are going to be feeling some very strong buyer's remorse.
It's time to fricking win football games. Play time is over.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 10:47 am to DawgsLife
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Kirby is supposed to do that for us, isn't he?
Yes, but you got to be realistic about when it should happen. 2017 might be too soon. We really might need our frosh dbs and ol to get a year under their belts and to get a new oc before we take a big step forward. Retaining richt wouldn't have helped with the important 2017 class one bit so I disagree with your idea about keeping richt if we can't win big now.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 10:48 am
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:12 am to djsdawg
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Yes, but you got to be realistic about when it should happen. 2017 might be too soon. We really might need our frosh dbs and ol to get a year under their belts and to get a new oc before we take a big step forward. Retaining richt wouldn't have helped with the important 2017 class one bit so I disagree with your idea about keeping richt if we can't win big now.
djsdawg - The issue I have with your statement is "being realistic".
I'm tired of being realistic. Realistic tastes too much like the latter part of the CMR era. I am a fan from the early 80's when at age 5 I saw Hershel Walker carry our team to glory. My Dad screaming and hugging complete strangers from pure joy. So I've been loyal, but I'm hungry.
Every year we make excuses and hope for next year, only to be Pre-season NCs and Post Season afterthoughts. If we wait until next season our excuses will be, we lost Chubb, Michel, Bellamy, Carter, Sanders, Davis, and a whole host more. We need to do it now! No excuses.
I believe CKS, if anything, has brought up our recruiting a notch and before anyone piles on, that is over the last year or two (Pre and Post 2016 season). I get it. 2018 class is scaring me but its not in yet either. He needs to keep up the heat on recruiting like Saban did following 2007 when he brought in KS I might add. CKS needs to also keep the heat on the Offense starting with the Coordinators and he needs to keep coaching defense where he is successful. We also need all of these consultants and assistants and GAs and who ever else that can legally stay in each one of these players back pockets making sure they are staying clean, staying focused, and staying hungry!
AND WIN DAMN IT!
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:22 am to Jefferson Dawg
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Most are jerking to the thought of Kirbs going 11-3 while simultaneously shitting on a 2007 asterisks. In a year when Richt went 11-2
Why can't you understand that these are two very different arguments and each is more nuanced than you're admitting?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:43 am to djsdawg
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Yes, but you got to be realistic about when it should happen. 2017 might be too soon.
I agree! I have said I think we win the Eat this year, do as well in 2018, and at LEAST play Alabama tight in 2019 for the SEC Championship. Would you agree that that is reasonable?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:49 am to DawgsLife
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If you are going to make that point, then you certainly have to heap criticism on last season. We lost to Vandy, GT and Tennessee. We should have won all three of those games.
Except last year we had a brand new coaching staff - and in 2007 CMR had been in Athens for what, 7 yrs?
My whole life the rule for coaches was that you don't judge them until after 3-5 years so they could get their recruits and staff in place...
....except at UGA where you better do it year 2 or you suck. I have no doubt CKS will be a great coach and have a lot of success. Of course, this may be at a different school if we fire him after 2 years.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:50 am to AirDawg
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Understandable and fair point, but with the way successes have come for other College teams/Coaches we made the change for one reason and one reason alone. Win Championships.
Sure. Richt wasn't getting it done so a change was made. A lot of schools will see success right off the bat with a new coach because of the system that they run - (Gus w/ Auburn 2013, Kevin Sumlin w/ A&M 2012, etc...)
Kirby isn't running one of those systems that's going to quickly turn a program around. He's essentially starting from scratch and building the program back up. That takes a lot more time than a quick fix via a flashy offensive system.
I want to see progressive improvement year over year and a championship by year 3/4. If we're looking at year 5 of his tenure with no trophies, we move on.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:51 am to DawgsLife
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I agree! I have said I think we win the Eat this year, do as well in 2018, and at LEAST play Alabama tight in 2019 for the SEC Championship. Would you agree that that is reasonable?
I know this was not my question but...
If this hire was about saving money then yes.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:55 am to gatorhata9
Kirby came into the same system that was being run at Alabama. Everyone of his coaches came into the same system they were running with the exception of maybe Pitman and Beamer?
If I see anything north of 11 wins, then I'll remain patient especially if we beat Florida/Tech/Tennessee.
If I see anything north of 11 wins, then I'll remain patient especially if we beat Florida/Tech/Tennessee.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 6/14/17 at 1:18 pm to SquatchDawg
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Except last year we had a brand new coaching staff - and in 2007 CMR had been in Athens for what, 7 yrs?
And yet we had out recruited all three soundly and had more talent. Shoot, we had Tennessee, the team closest to our own talent level down with very little time left.
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My whole life the rule for coaches was that you don't judge them until after 3-5 years so they could get their recruits and staff in place...
That is an argument that I make as a rule, however, when you have head and shoulders better talent, you really need to produce. That argument works when things are fairly even, or the schemes you are bringing in are totally different than what was run before you got there. That is the knock on Kirby right now. He had a ton more talent than Vandy and GT. Crap, we barely beat Nichols.
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....except at UGA where you better do it year 2 or you suck.
IN fairness, he wasn't coming in to a situation that was bad. We had won 10 games in the two previous years. He was not in a rebuilding situation.
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Of course, this may be at a different school if we fire him after 2 years.
He won't be fired after only two years, and I don't think anybody is advocating that. But, be real, and make no mistake about it...we have a very talented, experienced team. 10 wins is not unreasonable.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 2:10 pm to DawgsLife
I read on this very website that the road to mediocrity is paved with excuses...
Posted on 6/14/17 at 2:44 pm to DawgsLife
quote:I don't remember not criticizing last season. There's plenty to criticize from it. The only loss of those three that is excuseable is Tennessee (and even then we should've won yet for the frick up at the end).
If you are going to make that point, then you certainly have to heap criticism on last season. We lost to Vandy, GT and Tennessee. We should have won all three of those games. Had we done that, we would have gone to Atlanta. (I don't think we were ready for that, but we could have gone)
Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:25 pm to Peter Buck
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I read on this very website that the road to mediocrity is paved with excuses...
When we were defending Richt, that did seem to be the theme.
However, Richt is gone and nothing will bring him back. He couldn't get us over the hump. People felt it was time to gamble and go with a new coach. Maybe he could put us over the top. I hope they are right. I just hated to give up a coach that gave us 10 wins a season and an occasional SEC Championship, for the unknown. especially one that kept our program out of trouble.
But, it does no good to look back. It's time to move forward and hope for the best. I hope we get where we want to be.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:28 pm to TMDawg
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Tennessee (and even then we should've won yet for the frick up at the end).
Kirby called a pretty good game with pretty good decisions, until the end. I understand why he thought putting Lorenzo Carter back deep was a good decision, but I would have rather had a DB. Hind sight is always 20/20, though. If it had worked, we would have said it was a brilliant idea and other coaches would have copied it.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:30 pm to TMDawg
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If you are going to make that point, then you certainly have to heap criticism on last season. We lost to Vandy, GT and Tennessee. We should have won all three of those games. Had we done that, we would have gone to Atlanta. (I don't think we were ready for that, but we could have gone)
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I don't remember not criticizing last season. There's plenty to criticize from it. The only loss of those three that is excuseable is Tennessee (and even then we should've won yet for the frick up at the end)
I didn't mean to insinuate you didn't. But, you said 2007 was typical Richt because we lost to two teams we shouldn't have. I was merely pointing out that last season we lost 3 games to teams we shouldn't have.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:55 pm to DawgsLife
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last season we lost 3 games to teams we shouldn't have.
With a Richt built team.. Disaster OL, true freshman QB and below average wr
Posted on 6/14/17 at 3:57 pm to AirDawg
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Kirby came into the same system that was being run at Alabama.
What the frick are you even talking about? That's absolutely false. The defensive scheme that Pruitt put in place was similar but that's it.
But even more, you COMPLETELY missed the point of my post. Kirby is NOT a system coach. He's not a quick fix guy with a fancy offensive playbook. He's basically rebuilding the entire culture of the program from scratch.
If you chirp for Kirby's job at 10/11 wins, you can go frick yourself.
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