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re: Three SEC East teams in the Elite 8.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:34 pm to Peter Buck
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:34 pm to Peter Buck
A better coach may have been able to get our players to play better. That's what tubby did in 1996 and what a new coach could potentially do.
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:38 pm to djsdawg
I'm sure that could happen. Fox could also get a few better players and get in the tourney and then attract more good players too? Right?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:43 pm to Peter Buck
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Fox could also get a few better players
He had 40% of the 1st team All-SEC starting this year and we got bounced the first game of the NIT. This is year 8.
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get in the tourney and then attract more good players too?
Well maybe, although he's only been once in his tenure here with his own players that he recruited. I'm not sure why people think year 9, 10, 11.. are finally gonna be THE YEAR where we get over the hump. It's basketball, it doesn't take a decade to turn a program around.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:47 pm to Peter Buck
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Fox could also get a few better players and get in the tourney
8 years so work says that wont happen often...even with 2 all SEC players on the same team
but more time!!!!
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:51 pm to Peter Buck
quote:2 1st team all conference players at a P5 school should be enough to at least get to the tourney and have a chance at a run, or at least it should be for a good coach.
How is a coach supposed to get that talent to make a sweet 16 run though? We clearly don't have it now.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:53 pm to Peter Buck
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Fox could also get a few better players and get in the tourney and then attract more good players too? Right?
What about his history indicates that this is likely? I'm not saying it's impossible, but I think a good approach is "is the sample size big enough to determine a most likely outcome"... at this point, 8 years is pretty indicative of the level of talent that Fox is going to bring in... about 35-70 in national ranking, and even when he did have an elite talent (KCP #12 overall out of HS) we went to precisely zero post season games. KCP came to UGA on the heels of our tournament berth in 2011. Unfortunately, Fox wasn't able to replicate that kind of pull when we made it to the tournament in 2015.
A quick look around the conference shows that several programs that have made more recent hires are recruiting at a significantly higher level than Fox right now, so not only is he going to continue to struggle to beat the Kentucky's and Florida's of the world, but Auburn, Alabama, etc are all about to get a lot harder as well.
Using KenPom's preseason ratings for next season, UGA looks set to be about 10th in conference... That's on the heels of being projected 5th this year (which was close given that we were in a good spot to go into the tourney tied for 6th prior to the last game of the season and Maten went down). Fox could get the team to outperform expectations, but "most likely" scenario is that is not the case unfortunately, so we find ourselves looking for a coach next year, and rather than taking the lumps next year and focusing on recruiting, we've got minimum 2 years of probably not very good before things start trending in a positive direction (if at all).
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 3/27/17 at 4:21 pm to Peter Buck
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Fox could also get a few better players and get in the tourney and then attract more good players too? Right?
Not likely. He Failed to capitalize on a dance invite twice in 8 years.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:21 pm to SumterCoDawg
One of Fox's biggest problems has always been depth, or the lack of cutting minutes to guys.
Players like Tim Dixon, John Cannon, and Houston Kessler should never see time at any P5 school. I feel like we've had some pretty good talent. We just have such a small amount of it.
Players like Tim Dixon, John Cannon, and Houston Kessler should never see time at any P5 school. I feel like we've had some pretty good talent. We just have such a small amount of it.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:34 pm to Peter Buck
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Oh, I feel if we hired an ex high school coach who inherited a very talented team when a good coach left and then left it when the talent thinned out due to his brash persona... so brash the AD stepped in because players were going to leave mass exudus style... a guy who only had a few years coaching at the college level... oh... I bet you would be first on board to celebrate that hire...
This is a completely idiotic statement. But the kernel of true I take from it is that you are a Fox supporter. All we need to start this ball rolling is a good coach, get that and good things will follow. After 8 years, 8 YEARS, Fox has proven he is not that guy.
And to the poster that said we are not far from a Final Four team, please send me you contacts as I haven't had drugs that good in a long time.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 10:51 pm to WhopperDawg
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This is a completely idiotic statement. But the kernel of true I take from it is that you are a Fox supporter. All we need to start this ball rolling is a good coach, get that and good things will follow. After 8 years, 8 YEARS, Fox has proven he is not that guy.
And to the poster that said we are not far from a Final Four team, please send me you contacts as I haven't had drugs that good in a long time.
How is this an idiotic statement ?
I'm not a Fox supporter really. I want UGA to be better at basketball. I have no emotional investment in Mark Fox's life. I think it's very valid to say that we really have to question why we can't get talent and depth at this school and should not assume it's just a new coach away...
Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:56 pm to Peter Buck
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How is this an idiotic statement ? I'm not a Fox supporter really. I want UGA to be better at basketball. I have no emotional investment in Mark Fox's life. I think it's very valid to say that we really have to question why we can't get talent and depth at this school and should not assume it's just a new coach away...
That is not what you said first off.
Secondly, you have to start with the coach. I can go through the numerous coaches that have turned programs around on the college and pro level if you wish. If you don't have the right coach, it will never ever work and we don't. Start there, get some momentum and good things will follow. It is really not the complicated.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:38 pm to WhopperDawg
If it's not complicated, how do you explain how the flagship University of a state that is #5 all time in producing NBA players at 120, struggles to bring in talent or win with any consistency? Are we just really unlucky?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:29 am to WhopperDawg
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Secondly, you have to start with the coach.
This part is where the disagreement starts.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 6:54 am to Peter Buck
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If it's not complicated, how do you explain how the flagship University of a state that is #5 all time in producing NBA players at 120, struggles to bring in talent or win with any consistency? Are we just really unlucky?
I believe the state of GA is #7 in NBA players and when it comes to basketball, GA Tech runs us with their history over ours and they are on a drought themselves
Posted on 3/29/17 at 6:59 am to Crowknowsbest
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part is where the disagreement starts.
That's where you make no sense. You can't win big without a good coach. You can win big without a new $88 million arena.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:27 am to djsdawg
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That's where you make no sense. You can't win big without a good coach. You can win big without a new $88 million arena.
It's hard to consistently attract good coaches and good players by financially half-assing basketball. You certainly don't keep them around.
Everybody says that you win first and then improve the infrastructure. What in UGA's athletic history would lead a proven coaching candidate to believe that that is the case?
shite, Richt won right away in a much higher priority sport, and UGA took the opportunity to go back on promises they made him when he took the job.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 7:29 am
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:57 am to IT_Dawg
A quick look at the top 50 ranked recruits since 2001 shows that GT, Memphis, Kentucky, Ohio state, have all signed more out of Ga than UGA. UGA has signed three, but Louis Williams went pro. Every year, there are top 50 players in GA and every year they don't go to UGA.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:02 am to Crowknowsbest
We are improving our infrastructure, just not to your liking. In your mind, the only way the program could ever be good is with a brand new arena, but its just not true. Pay a good coach $3+ million, and they aren't gonna think about half arse commitment. Should that coach win big, they will be celebrated, and wouldnt leave unless its a rare occasion an elite blue blood wants our guy.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:16 am to djsdawg
It's just so simple! All we have to do is hire a really good coach!!!! Y'all have changed my mind!!!!
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:17 am to djsdawg
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In your mind, the only way the program could ever be good is with a brand new arena, but its just not true.
Not the case. I just think it's the most likely way to make the program more attractive long-term.
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Pay a good coach $3+ million, and they aren't gonna think about half arse commitment.
Who is this coach you want to pay $3M to? What makes you think McGarity would do that?
IMO, here's the likely case if we fire Fox. McGarity hires some mid-major "up-and-comer" from UTC or something like that for cheap. Then, it's 50/50 at best that he does better than Fox. In the absolute best case scenario that that coach does great and generates more interest in the program, UGA leadership sees that they just got the benefits of improving the program without actually making substantial changes and decides that further investment is unnecessary. Said coach gets frustrated, eventually gets a better offer, and leaves. Fan support drops off again, and we're right back where we started.
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