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re: Three SEC East teams in the Elite 8.

Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:22 am to
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:22 am to
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A quick look at the top 50 ranked recruits since 2001 shows that GT, Memphis, Kentucky, Ohio state, have all signed more out of Ga than UGA. UGA has signed three, but Louis Williams went pro. Every year, there are top 50 players in GA and every year they don't go to UGA.


We have no history, a no name coach, old as shite arena, and play in the SEC....

No one is coming here dude. What in the actual frick would a GA kid come here unless he grew up a UGA fan....even then, I would tell my son to go to a better bball school.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:26 am to
No, no Crow! All we have to do is hire a really good coach and our dreams will come true!!!! You'll see... it's gonna be great.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:28 am to
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We have no history, a no name coach, old as shite arena, and play in the SEC....

No one is coming here dude. What in the actual frick would a GA kid come here unless he grew up a UGA fan....even then, I would tell my son to go to a better bball school.



Oh ya??? Well just you wait! We are gonna hire a great coach and make UGA great again!!! We are gonna build a wall around Georgia. You'll see! It's gonna be great! Who's with me?!!!
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32855 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:30 am to
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It's just so simple! All we have to do is hire a really good coach!!!! Y'all have changed my mind!!!!


Only you think anyone is saying its simple. I blame it on your football history.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:35 am to
Wow, again with personal attacks on a scary subject for me and a lot of guys my age who played. You are nothing short of a c u n T.


What is your excuse? Poor reading comprehension?


"Secondly, you have to start with the coach. I can go through the numerous coaches that have turned programs around on the college and pro level if you wish. If you don't have the right coach, it will never ever work and we don't. Start there, get some momentum and good things will follow. It is really not the complicated."
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32855 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:59 am to
You bring it upon yourself. You constantly prove you dont understand points being made. Maybe you weren't smart before you played the game, so football isn't to blame.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25876 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:09 am to
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You bring it upon yourself. You constantly prove you dont understand points being made. Maybe you weren't smart before you played the game, so football isn't to blame.

What makes you think he doesn't understand?
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
21767 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:13 am to
Isn't Fox paid in the top 30 of bball coaches too? Embarrassing.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:17 am to
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Everybody says that you win first and then improve the infrastructure. What in UGA's athletic history would lead a proven coaching candidate to believe that that is the case?


This is certainly a fair question. It's what *should* happen, but with ADGM and our board at the helm, there is just as good a chance that we try to squirm out of it... there has to be a commitment to the program and I'm not sure how fans/donors convey that to them. Not showing up = no one cares... Showing up = everyone's fine with what we're doing.

I think the idea of building a new arena while keeping Fox is similar to throwing good money after bad. He's pretty much shown you what he's capable of, both on the court as a coach and off as a recruiter... neither of which are sufficient for the level of success that we're hoping for.

I am a bit concerned that we're spending quite a bit (something like $21M I think I read?) on Stegeman interior updates here in phase 2 with the new seating, hanging scoreboard, etc, as it's going to be that much harder to justify money toward a new arena in the future. I'm a bit of a weirdo I guess, in that I actually like the Stegeman exterior... it's quirky... but the inside experience was terrible for a long time. Color me a little skeptical that this newest round of improvements is going to be in any way significant, but maybe they'll prove us wrong.

I will keep saying it 'til I'm blue in the face though, but the idea of partnering with the Classic Center owners to build a facility downtown seems like a no brainer on the surface... share costs... figure out utilization and keep Stegeman for Gymnastics, WBB, and maybe a few MBB games a year for nostalgia sake.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:20 am to
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You bring it upon yourself. You constantly prove you dont understand points being made. Maybe you weren't smart before you played the game, so football isn't to blame.


I have to assume a lot of my stuff goes over your head if this is where your head is at...
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25876 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:21 am to
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I think the idea of building a new arena while keeping Fox is similar to throwing good money after bad

Disagree. IMO, they are completely separate. Fox can be replaced at any point, which is why I'm indifferent on that subject.

To use another school as an example, UVA built a new arena with Dave Leitao as the coach. That didn't make the arena a bad idea. It just made the job more attractive to Tony Bennett a few years later.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:21 am to
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Isn't Fox paid in the top 30 of bball coaches too? Embarrassing.


Don't think that's accurate. For 2016 tournament teams, he was about on par with the 25th highest coach... haven't seen an updated version of that USA today chart: LINK /

But pretty sure there were coaches that made as much or more that missed that tournament. Additionally, other coaches have surpassed 2M in the past year as well... Probably still in the top 40-50 if I had to take a stab though.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:25 am to
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I will keep saying it 'til I'm blue in the face though, but the idea of partnering with the Classic Center owners to build a facility downtown seems like a no brainer on the surface... share costs... figure out utilization and keep Stegeman for Gymnastics, WBB, and maybe a few MBB games a year for nostalgia sake.


I think that is a great idea. Plus, the proximity to down town I think will add to the fan base almost immediately.

They need a change like that as much as a coach. Something symbolic and tangible that tells recruits and fans that UGA basketball is looking to take this thing to the next level.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25876 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:28 am to
Agree that the Classic Center thing is a great idea.
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They need a change like that as much as a coach. Something symbolic and tangible that tells recruits and fans that UGA basketball is looking to take this thing to the next level.

Exactly
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32855 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:28 am to
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What makes you think he doesn't understand?


He is either an idiot and/or a sarcastic douche. Neither are good options.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 9:30 am
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:31 am to
This guy...
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32855 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:34 am to
It's so simple to go to the final 4! All you need is a new great coach!

-Peter buck (such a disgrace to the real Peter buck)
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:36 am to
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To use another school as an example, UVA built a new arena with Dave Leitao as the coach

They broke ground on that arena in 2003 (plan was in works earlier), with Pete Gillen as their HC. They got something like a $35M dollar donation from a single donor that was specifically for a new basketball arena naming rights and had secured $80M+ in total donations before leasing out courtside seating packages for big money as well... all in all the arena cost them only 129M-ish... They then hired Dave Leitao who was a bit of a bust even though the arena opened in his second season.

I think given some of the recent articles describing a desire from donors to see a long term plan, you might actually be able to get this kind of funding to make it possible, *but*, location becomes the problem, which is why I think partnering with the Classic Center makes sense here. This was a somewhat interesting article discussing the UVA "plan" actually... LINK

I'm not opposed to investing in a facility... and hell... you could even decide to do it all at the same time... particularly given the long build time. But I truly think we're doing nothing more than spinning our tires the longer we keep Fox as a coach.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:46 am to
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I think that is a great idea. Plus, the proximity to down town I think will add to the fan base almost immediately.

They need a change like that as much as a coach. Something symbolic and tangible that tells recruits and fans that UGA basketball is looking to take this thing to the next level.


Holy shite. We agree on something.

See my post above... If you look at the timeline for UVA's build, given the time for construction on something like this, doing them simultaneously could indeed work, but I worry that it's likely difficult to time it correctly. You almost have to secure Fox to complete next season but "mid-way" through fire him with the expectation that he finishes it out... then with that part done, you go to donors and say "look... I'm going after < insert big name coaching options > but if we don't show financial commitment to making basketball better at UGA, you and I both know that they either aren't coming or they do and they leave... let's do this shite" (obviously in much more professional language)

It's likely one hell of a juggling act, but it is somewhat plausible.

An alternative to that might be something like this:

Offer Chris Collins (NW) like $3.5M+ (originally making 1.3ish at NW, haven't seen current salary from 2015 extension but guessing under 2M still). This would be with the understanding that you are quite literally renting the guy until Coach K retires at Duke...

With that splash hire, go to donors and say "we need to capitalize now... we won't have him forever, and the next coach is going to want to see investment"... Build new arena (partner with Classic Center ADGM you mother flucker!!!)

Profit...

Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:47 am to
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Three SEC East teams in the Elite 8. It's so simple to go to the final 4! All you need is a new great coach! -Peter buck (such a disgrace to the real Peter buck)



I rest my case.
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