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re: The Pruitt Deception?............................

Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:54 am to
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:54 am to
So do we change ppg stats just for CTG just to make you feel better? Jesus,didn't those same rules apply for counting ppg in'12 ? Wasn't his ppg in '12 one of your biggest points when defending him? Which is it?Ok In'12 but not ok 13?

Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:57 am to
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Did you know that a pick-6 counts against the defense in that number?


How many did Murray throw last year? I don't remember but 1...maybe two. Not enought o impact it. And they would have been counted in the previous years, too....so it basically turns into a wash.

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Did you know that there is no adjustment made for when the offense turns the ball over in their own redzone, and the defense does their job and holds them to a field goal, those 3 points that should be against the offense actually get held against the defense?



Did you honestly believe the defense looked good last year? Take numbers completely aside. We gave up too may long TD and too many long drives.

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Grantham's front 7 were nothing less than immaculate last year.


Pretty decent? yes. Immaculate? Hardly. Shame there are 11 players on defense.
Posted by GoldenDawg
Dawg in Exile
Member since Oct 2013
19081 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:57 am to
If loving Pruitt is wrong, I don't want to be right.
Posted by greygatch
Member since Sep 2013
1159 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:01 am to
Pruitt should start off with a pretty capable front seven, which should create pressure and force turnovers, which looks like Pruitt's specialty.

Right now, we don't even have a two-deep depth chart, so the secondary is STILL a big problem. If Fenteng and Parrish can come in and contribute, I think we'll be okay.

Again, maybe we get lucky and Floyd is simply unstoppable for the season.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:19 am to
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Who else was a better candidate, that would have come to Georgia? In my opinion, he was the very best candidate.

I agree with you. I'm just pointing out the elephant in the room.......the fact that Pruitt's defense hasn't played a single down yet, and he's already received more praise at UGA than Bobo has in his entire career.

GO back and read some articles from when FSU hired him end of 2012. The concern then was that he'd never been a coordinator at the college level before. But, he handled the questions about this like a fricking Master. He said all of the right things, and turned these concerns in his favor. Just like what he is doing now. As he should.

He knows what the frustrations and concerns were about Grantham........and, like a Master, he has painted himself as the perfect remedy. The exact puzzle-piece to fit in where Grantham could not.

Again, I like the guy. Am excited about him. But, the hype and unearned trust is reaching bizarre heights. And it's weird is all.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
9914 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:25 am to
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We gave up 29 ppg...worst in the CMR era.



Did you know that a pick-6 counts against the defense in that number?

Did you know that there is no adjustment made for when the offense turns the ball over in their own redzone, and the defense does their job and holds them to a field goal, those 3 points that should be against the offense actually get held against the defense?

Did you know that special teams points also count against the defense in that number?

Did you also know that UGA's schedule last year was the most difficult schedule in the CMR era?

Did you know that our wounded offense and piss poor special teams didn't do the defense any favors?

Did you know that 3 different true freshmen started in the secondary, and JHC, while not a freshman, was also a first-time starter?

All of these things contributed to the 29 ppg number.

It's a stupid statistic.

Grantham's front 7 were nothing less than immaculate last year.




Don't stun the "Disney's" with facts that's not playing nice...

No sense bring up our shitty strength & conditioning program CG had to deal with and the lack of logistics either.

Pruitt on the other hand:

Is he part snake oil salesman I think so but, that's not always a bad thing for a coach having people not quite being able to figure you out.

He recruits well & he seems to process the dead weight without hesitation or, consulting a Priest.

He's from Alabama so he knows about producing or moving and you're only as good as tomorrows news paper.


Bobo and that side 'gota get after it this year and special teams improvement is a MUST.

Grantham's gone well paid with money falling out of his pocket leaving UGA goodbye, thanks for playing, comeback soon, GTFO.



This post was edited on 5/25/14 at 6:23 am
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 12:20 pm to
Stun?WTF are you talking about?How am I "Disney" for ripping CTG BEFORE and after he left?I was perhaps the first on the board to do so.

So which year do you want to chose as your PPG argument?
'12 Or '13?
Posted by WhopperDawg
Member since Aug 2013
3073 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 12:58 pm to
It may be self deception by the fan base, but there is no deception on Pruitt's part.

And it is understandable, since BVG left our defense has been in shambles.

Now hope springs anew. And you are right it may be misplaced. And there certainly was the same type of buzz about Grantham, but if you look at Grantham's history his only stint as a DC was a failed 2 years at Cleveland. Otherwise he is a DL coach.

Pruitt is actually similar, only 7 years removed from coaching high school ball, principally a DB coach with 1 year of DC experience, although he was successful. There is plenty of room for skepticism.

But I do feel better about Pruitt than Grantham at point of hire primarily because of the difference in approach. Grantham talked about how bad arse he was and the defense was going to be. Pruitt talks about fundamentals and everyone understanding what they are doing.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63885 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 1:16 pm to
Your last paragraph is jeff's case in point.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 4:20 pm to
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I agree with you. I'm just pointing out the elephant in the room.......the fact that Pruitt's defense hasn't played a single down yet, and he's already received more praise at UGA than Bobo has in his entire career.


Understand completely. I was not convinced about Bobo, but I think he has proven to be more than adequate. I think MOST of the hype comes from getting a coach that was with a Nattional Championship last season and had a great defense. You really can't compare the two. FSU had a bit more talent than we do right now. It looks like we are narrowing the gap quickly, though, and we think the defense will be improved this year if for no other reason than another year of experience. I think a new scheme and possibly easier scheme will help improve it even more.

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He knows what the frustrations and concerns were about Grantham........and, like a Master, he has painted himself as the perfect remedy. The exact puzzle-piece to fit in where Grantham could not.



And, if I can read between your linse a bit...it takes more than talk and sound bites to get the job done. I agree. They hype and expectations are getting unrealistic. Can you imagine if we had gotten Kirby Smart? It would have been 10 times worse.

I am not criticizing your feelings. I share them, too. I just really believe that he will be a shot in the arm for us. A breath of fresh air. Something the program needs right now. If we avoid injuries we will meet all expectations and everybody will be happy. But, yes...the expectations are very high right now. Too high. A man can only do so much with what he has. But...he has what Grantham had. So, we will see.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 4:22 pm to
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No sense bring up our shitty strength & conditioning program CG had to deal with and the lack of logistics either.


What do you know about the S&C program? How do you know it is bad? What do you base this off? What logistics problems did he have to deal with?


Posted by adawgj
Brunswick
Member since Oct 2012
1749 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 4:44 pm to
Got this Jeffy and it's about time somebody made this thread. We have the regular disneys who have pumped this guy up so much that he has to improve to the point of epic proportions or is a failure. Just stop it guys. Most of you said the same shite about TG and if Pruitt works out or not, chances are he may not sit in that position for more than 3 years and we will do this all over again. Lets simmer down, hope for the best, and not set ourselves up for failure.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 5:03 pm to
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Got this Jeffy and it's about time somebody made this thread. We have the regular disneys who have pumped this guy up so much that he has to improve to the point of epic proportions or is a failure. Just stop it guys. Most of you said the same shite about TG and if Pruitt works out or not, chances are he may not sit in that position for more than 3 years and we will do this all over again. Lets simmer down, hope for the best, and not set ourselves up for failure.



So, basically what you are saying, is always expect the worse and HOPE we get better? Seems reasonable.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
9914 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 5:16 pm to
Look guy,

I have hashed this out with much better adversaries than you over twenty different threads this year so, I will pass on revisiting old news and that which is common knowledge and factually observant.

Grantham's gone and that's a fact jack but, some of you Disney's could tone it down a bit and stop acting so gleeful like a bunch of cheerleaders.

Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 5:26 pm to
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Look guy,

I have hashed this out with much better adversaries than you over twenty different threads this year so, I will pass on revisiting old news and that which is common knowledge and factually observant.

Grantham's gone and that's a fact jack but, some of you Disney's could tone it down a bit and stop acting so gleeful like a bunch of cheerleaders.







And yet, you haven't read any of my posts on the subject, have you?

Mind showing me where I have jacked Pruitt up?

I think he is better than Grantham.
I think our defense will be better than it was last year.
I think our secondary will be better than last year.

Is that what you call over hyping?

Congrats on hashing it out on 20 different threads. Got anything new to add?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 5:28 pm to
quote:

Look guy,

I have hashed this out with much better adversaries than you over twenty different threads this year so, I will pass on revisiting old news and that which is common knowledge and factually observant.

Grantham's gone and that's a fact jack but, some of you Disney's could tone it down a bit and stop acting so gleeful like a bunch of cheerleaders.







Now. how about telling me about the logistics problems? I haven't seen a thread about it. I am unaware of any logistics problems. I don't even know what you are referring to. All I want to know is what you know.
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26173 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 5:28 pm to
quote:

I was not convinced about Bobo, but I think he has proven to be more than adequate.


More than adequate? He's been nothing short of outstanding.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25872 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 5:29 pm to
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And yet, you haven't read any of my posts on the subject, have you?

Mind showing me where I have jacked Pruitt up?

I think he is better than Grantham.
I think our defense will be better than it was last year.
I think our secondary will be better than last year.

Is that what you call over hyping?

Congrats on hashing it out on 20 different threads. Got anything new to add?

You're making the mistake of thinking that he's actually reading the content of your posts.

He's got you pegged as a "Disney," and no matter how reasonable of an argument you make, he will try to disagree with you.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 5:32 pm to
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More than adequate? He's been nothing short of outstanding.


Well...yes. And no. We have done very well, and I believe he has improved over the past few years. He has more tools to play with right now.

It goes back to the old arguments:

Was Earl Weaver a great manager, or was he great because he had a lot of talent? The same can be said about just about everybody. I think Bobo had done a very good job. Is it because he is a great coach or because he has great talent? It's hard for any coach to produce if he does not have good talent.

Not a knock on Bobo. I think he is very underrated...mainly by Georgia fans. He is one I have to wait a little while longer before I put him in the outstanding category, though.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 5:36 pm to
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You're making the mistake of thinking that he's actually reading the content of your posts.

He's got you pegged as a "Disney," and no matter how reasonable of an argument you make, he will try to disagree with you.



I'm familiar with him. I read more than I post.
I probably could be considered a Disney...but I have been rather restrained, I believe on Pruitt.

(besides, I think I missed what he was saying. I think he was talking about my questioning his accusations about the S&C program and logistics.)

I've seen a few people post about the S&C program, criticizing it. I am just wondering if anybody can back it up. How can you back it up unless you are on the inside of the program?

I wasn't really challenging him so much as asking if he has good information or if he is giving his opinion.

Information I pay attention to...opinions not so much. he usually has plenty of opinions...just like most of us!

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