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So tell me this...
Posted on 10/11/15 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 10/11/15 at 3:25 pm
Saban comes to Alabama in 2007...goes 7-6 that first year, but follows with a 12-2 record in 2008 as he built the program back up and recruited like a demon.
Since then...it's been all about SEC titles and national titles for Alabama...with a few losses sprinkled in.
Meanwhile Richt has had 15 years and can't get anywhere close to that success...and may even be regressing.
Richt had 13 total losses in his first 5 seasons at UGA (2001-2005). Assuming that we lose a total of 4 games this year, he'll have 18 losses in our most recent 5 seasons (2011-2015).
Shouldn't our program be well established and elite by now? Wasn't that Richt's goal when he came...to "blow the lid off this program"?
What's the real difference between these programs? Certainly not the talent available in their region.
Since then...it's been all about SEC titles and national titles for Alabama...with a few losses sprinkled in.
Meanwhile Richt has had 15 years and can't get anywhere close to that success...and may even be regressing.
Richt had 13 total losses in his first 5 seasons at UGA (2001-2005). Assuming that we lose a total of 4 games this year, he'll have 18 losses in our most recent 5 seasons (2011-2015).
Shouldn't our program be well established and elite by now? Wasn't that Richt's goal when he came...to "blow the lid off this program"?
What's the real difference between these programs? Certainly not the talent available in their region.
This post was edited on 10/11/15 at 3:28 pm
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Posted on 10/11/15 at 3:30 pm to Lucius Clay
Posted on 10/11/15 at 3:30 pm to Chef Leppard
Holy shite
Posted on 10/11/15 at 3:32 pm to Lucius Clay
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What's the real difference between these programs? Certainly not the talent available in their region.
Adminstrations, Bama gave Saban a blank check. He had likely dozens more staff helping with recruiting, "coaching" in the off season, S and C, and editing game film. Not to mention a no questions asked about questionable admissions ( Lacey, anyone?) and a very, very cooperative Tuscaloosa police dept that allowed an actual drug dealer to play for YEARS on the team before he was finally kicked off.
meanwhile, Richt was paying for GA raises out of his own pocket.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 3:32 pm to Lucius Clay
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What's the real difference between these programs?
1)saban is a top 4/5 coach in SEC history. People seem to want to compare everyone to saban for some reason, and not realize there have only been a few human beings to ever live as good at this job as he is.
2)alabama's administartion is 100%, completely and fully all in on winning football games. Our isn't.
That's really all there is to it.
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Shouldn't our program be well established and elite by now?
Our program has'nt been elite in teh 120+ years we've been a program, I'm not sure why people expect us to be something we're not then get mad because of it.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 3:35 pm to WG_Dawg
Oh, and he was allowed to do roster management like a pro team while UGA refused to over sign.
Also, as I am watching Crowell make a play in the NFL, the sheer amount of talent than UGA has kicked off in the past 10 years due to rules that only this program follows is just staggering. Even just adding up the game suspensions is crazy to think about.
Also, as I am watching Crowell make a play in the NFL, the sheer amount of talent than UGA has kicked off in the past 10 years due to rules that only this program follows is just staggering. Even just adding up the game suspensions is crazy to think about.
This post was edited on 10/11/15 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 10/11/15 at 3:40 pm to LewDawg
Yea dude gurley flipped clay matthews like he was a little bitch 
I couldnt get to the Internet quick enough to make a gif .shite made my day 
TG
I couldnt get to the Internet quick enough to make a gif .shite made my day TG Posted on 10/11/15 at 3:53 pm to WG_Dawg
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Our program has'nt been elite in teh 120+ years we've been a program, I'm not sure why people expect us to be something we're not then get mad because of it.
People expect us to be elite because we're the flagship football university in one of the most talent rich states in the country. On top of that, we're always in the top ten in football generated revenue, and located in one of the best college towns in the nation. We've seen other schools in our conference with nowhere near the advantages that we have go from absolute shite to title contenders while we've been content to be slightly above average. That's why people are mad and expect more.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 3:56 pm to SoGaFan
I don't think it would matter with Richt. He and Saban seem to be much different in their approach. Saban is obsessed wth his job and puts every ounce of energy into his job and getting maximum results from his process. Richt seems to place UGA football on an equal if not lesser footing than other parts of his life. Saban is obsessed with the challenge of winning championships year in and year out. That is at the top of his priority list and I presume that his family accepts that as who he is. Richt takes a more categorized perspective of winning and losing than Saban. He rationalizes success on the field , or lack thereof, based on a different value system than but a handful of coaches. Saban and a handful of other coaches existence are defined to them by success in the win column and championships . Not for me to say which method is better or more commendable but there is definitely a correlation between philosophies and success on the field of play.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 4:59 pm to Lucius Clay
Unfortunately I think it's gonna get worse before it ever gets better. GSU might be the only sure win(& Imma on the fence there)left in the last 6. Without NC I think 4-2(8-4)is the ceiling & 3-3(7-5)could easily happen...
Shreveport/Memphis is calling our name...
Shreveport/Memphis is calling our name...
Posted on 10/11/15 at 5:12 pm to WG_Dawg
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Our program has'nt been elite in teh 120+ years we've been a program, I'm not sure why people expect us to be something we're not then get mad because of it.
Because our program can be elite. The last 120 years don't mean shite, they are dead and gone.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 5:26 pm to Dick Leverage
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I don't think it would matter with Richt. He and Saban seem to be much different in their approach. Saban is obsessed wth his job and puts every ounce of energy into his job and getting maximum results from his process. Richt seems to place UGA football on an equal if not lesser footing than other parts of his life. Saban is obsessed with the challenge of winning championships year in and year out. That is at the top of his priority list and I presume that his family accepts that as who he is. Richt takes a more categorized perspective of winning and losing than Saban. He rationalizes success on the field , or lack thereof, based on a different value system than but a handful of coaches. Saban and a handful of other coaches existence are defined to them by success in the win column and championships . Not for me to say which method is better or more commendable but there is definitely a correlation between philosophies and success on the field of play.
I agree with you, but Richt has simply worked with what he has gotten without throwing a hissy fit if he doesn't get what he wants. In exchange, UGA has given him a lot of money. To be honest, I like hearing about UGA players doing things outside of football because football is likely to be a very small part of their working lives for 90% of them.
One always gets the impression that any personal Saban image is a PR set up just to prove he has a soul. I don't think he is Satan, but I also realize really selfish people do tend to get what they want in this world. However, I am guessing, overall, Richt is probably a happier person than Saban on a daily basis. I just get the impression that Saban and Meyer give each other heart burn constantly trying to prove that he is the best CFB coach, no matter how many championships each wins.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 7:14 pm to Lucius Clay
Because we are not now, nor will we ever be, Alabama. UGA is not an elite football program. All of you lunatics get these crazy dreams and aspirations about what UGA is. They aren't based in reality. Then you get mad when you're lucid dream crashes down to earth. Definition of insanity IMO
Posted on 10/11/15 at 9:40 pm to WG_Dawg
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Our program has'nt been elite in teh 120+ years we've been a program, I'm not sure why people expect us to be something we're not then get mad because of it.
We were also not elite with Goff, and he was cheaper. So if the goal is to continue the century plus tradition of being not elite, there are still far better options than Richt.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 9:43 pm to Dick Leverage
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Saban is obsessed with the challenge of winning championships year in and year out.
Plus, Saban - and guys like him - fricking HATE to lose. They're probably madder when they lose a game than they are happy when they win a title. Get a coach like that at the head of a team with enough players like that, and they're going to be scary.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 10:08 pm to td01241
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UGA is not an elite football program. All of you lunatics get these crazy dreams and aspirations about what UGA is.
But it should be elite for reasons already mentioned in this thread. There is absolutely no reason why Georgia shouldn't be on par with LSU at the very least. Want to know why we aren't?
Answer this question: Do you think Mark Richt was ashamed of himself after either of these last two games?
Posted on 10/11/15 at 10:44 pm to VADawg
The problem is more than Richt.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 10:47 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
More than richt? elaborate
Posted on 10/11/15 at 10:51 pm to olddawg26
The admins don't give a shite about winning championships. They care about raising money. They put the team behind in the current arms race and we are playing catch up.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 12:12 am to WhopperDawg
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Because our program can be elite. The last 120 years don't mean shite, they are dead and gone.
UGA could be an elite program. We were better than Florida as a program prior to Spurrier being named HC...and they became an elite program in a couple of years.
Florida has more high school talent than Georgia but the in state competition, especially when Florida was really good, was farrrrr greater than it is in Georgia.
The reason that UGA is not an elite program and never has been is because there is no need to be....the program is one of the most successful in areas other than winning and losing and it is pretty decent in that area.....
Florida had to become elite are they were going to become another SMU....and probably take the SEC with them the way SMU did the SWC. There is nothing about UGA that would require that sort of drastic change.
ALabama is elite because there is nothing else in the state worth a frick. There ain't even a real city in the entire state. Auburn is compelled to try to keep up. Meanwhile Georgia has Atlanta, comprised of people from all over the nation who could care less about UGA football, and pro sports. And we have Georgia Tech....we don't have to do much to look pretty dammed good in football when we are compared to Tech.
FSU only has football....other than that it is a teachers college. Miami was elite because of drug money.....Notre Dame only has a mythical elitism and didnt even play in bowl games when their mistique was born. Ohio State is "elite" when the rest of the Big 10 sucks....other than thay they are mediocre.
Oklahoma and Nebraska used to be considered elite....they never played anyone and got their asses whipped soundly in bowl games unless they were fortunate enough to get a highly over rated team in a bowl. GT won a national title in the fricking citrus bowl against Nebraska....the fricking citrus bowl.
SO we ain't elite and never will be...there is no reason for it....the program and the university is FINE as is. The schools that are elite are that way because they had / have glaring inefficiencies that must be compensated for. UGA is the envy of most of the NCAA....everything is going great and you don't don't have to do anything but win 75% of the time and beat GT more often than not and the ship never even rocks....
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