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re: Miami Ranked Higher
Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:00 pm to Spaceman Spiff
Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:00 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Going to have to agree with this. And I was (and still am to a point) one of his biggest supporters when here. I hope he does well at Miami.
I agree with it, too, Spiff. but when somebody criticized Kirby for the performance, all the Richt haters jumped in saying it was all on Richt for the talent level. Never mind that Nicholls has a 8-32 record over this season and the last 3 before, mostly against teams like Incarnate Word, Central Arkansas, Henderson State, Houston Baptist and Stephen F. Austin.
Talent had absolutely nothing to do with the Nicholls loss. For that matter, we have more talent by a long ways than Missouri on our roster.
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Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:02 pm to DawgsLife
Yo.. We beat both those teams bro.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:03 pm to VoxDawg
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It's a complex set of problems that are facing the team. Pinning all of them on Richt is ridiculous, just like believing that Kirby's immune to scrutiny as well.
Absolutely. Kirby will be just fine. Don't misunderstand me...I get just as aggravated by those wanting Kirby to perform like a seasoned veteran. It will take time to get his players...mold the mind set he wants...learn the right way to motivate the players...get a new coaching staff all on the same page...and deal with the unrealistic expectations of a fan base that thinks he is going to come in here and win a national Championship in his first year.
It will come, but we have to be patient and give it some time. I would be shocked if we made the playoffs in his first 5-6 years, much less the first 2-3 like I have seen some predict.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:05 pm to deeprig9
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Yo.. We beat both those teams bro.
Yes we did!
Just wish we had looked a little more polished and self assured doing it. BUT...like I said in the post above....it takes time. Smart will be fine.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:07 pm to 02Dawg
BUT....speaking more to the OP....how are you going to feel when we pass Miami back up later this year, or next? It will happen. I don't think I would start a bunch of threads tooting Miami's horn, because they just won't have the sustained viability as Georgia. The best thing Miami has going for it is Mark Richt, and that won't be enough to keep them very high very long.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:24 pm to DawgsLife
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Absolutely. Kirby will be just fine. Don't misunderstand me...I get just as aggravated by those wanting Kirby to perform like a seasoned veteran. It will take time to get his players...mold the mind set he wants...learn the right way to motivate the players...get a new coaching staff all on the same page...and deal with the unrealistic expectations of a fan base that thinks he is going to come in here and win a national Championship in his first year.
I can agree with all of this.
Richt is a great coach and even better person. I wish him all the best at Miami. If we ever meet in a NC game (or any other game) though, I'll be pulling for my Dawgs.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:38 pm to DawgsLife
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we have more talent by a long ways than Missouri on our roster.
None more true than in 2015. That mizzou team was horrid. What happened there?
Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:43 pm to djsdawg
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None more true than in 2015. That mizzou team was horrid. What happened there?
Poor coaching. Best player hurt. Bad QB. (The defense looked pretty darn good though. of course, Mizzou had a horrid offense!)
I have no problem saying that Richt could not get us over the hump and to the next level. I have no problem saying that Richt did a poor job of getting the team ready at times. I have no problem with saying that I think Smart will turn out to be a great hire.
Why do you have such a hard time admitting that Smart should be called out for his mistakes and shortcomings?
You picked out one game I mentioned. How about Nicholls? Sure, we looked bad against Georgia Southern. But Georgia Southern was a pretty darn good team that went to a bowl. Nicholls might now win 3 games this year against far inferior foes.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:44 pm to DawgsLife
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what started the whole mess was when somebody on here began to try to pin everything on Richt.
Our roster was gonna present problems with or without RIcht.
Once Deep rig does a more in-depth analysis of players rank nationally, I am not gonna put too much into it.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:45 pm to djsdawg
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Our roster was gonna present problems with or without RIcht.
Absolutely correct.
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Once Deep rig does a more in-depth analysis of players rank nationally, I am not gonna put too much into it.
Why not? We compete against the SEC, not nationally. And those are some of the best teams in the SEC.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:47 pm to DawgsLife
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Why do you have such a hard time admitting that Smart should be called out for his mistakes and shortcomings?
Because all of this should have been expected. We hired a guy from Bama, not miss state. All he has known is quality rosters his whole career. He knows how to win with quality rosters, and thats it. We hired him to improve our roster, and we expect wins to come with that.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:48 pm to djsdawg
This team is young (because of the 2013 class busting apart).
This coach is young (1st time head coach).
This coaching staff is a hodge-podge of best available coaches that Kirby had to put together in a hurry (to keep current class committed and because we lost staff that followed CMR or Boom).
Our starting QB couldn't be any more young.
It's gonna take time. I'm looking at 2018 but that's just me.
This coach is young (1st time head coach).
This coaching staff is a hodge-podge of best available coaches that Kirby had to put together in a hurry (to keep current class committed and because we lost staff that followed CMR or Boom).
Our starting QB couldn't be any more young.
It's gonna take time. I'm looking at 2018 but that's just me.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:49 pm to DawgsLife
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Why not? We compete against the SEC, not nationally. And those are some of the best teams in the SEC.
Because look at our WR comparison to Ole Miss:
Of their top 5, they were 38th, 42nd, 75th, 108th, and 133rd in the nation overall = 79.2 average.
Of our top 5, they were 28th, 234th, 245th, 307th, and 380th in the nation overall = 238 average.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:55 pm to djsdawg
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Because all of this should have been expected.
Our roster was bad last year. Especially after Chubb got hurt.
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We hired a guy from Bama, not miss state. All he has known is quality rosters his whole career.
Which is what I think part of the problem is. My opinion? (Because you KNOW I have one!
) I think he is asking the players to do more than they are capable because he is used to having more talent at his disposal. there will be a learning curve to learn how to manage a roster with lesser talent. Georgia does not have 44 4* and 5* players like Alabama. (I am guessing...could be more, could be less)
As I said... I think he will be fine once he makes the adjustment.
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He knows how to win with quality rosters, and thats it. We hired him to improve our roster, and we expect wins to come with that.
I understand that. but if we are struggling with Nicholls with our current roster, what will we do against Alabama with even an improved roster. how much better do we need to get, to compete with an Alabama....or shoot, even an Ole Miss?
Look, I have no problem calling out Richt for his shortcomings, and praising Smart for his MANY good moves.
But I also have no problem with calling Smart out when he does a poor job. Why do you? You can call Richt out. Why not Smart? And don't say, "He needs time." We all know that. But he did not need time or talent for Nicholls.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:58 pm to djsdawg
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Of their top 5, they were 38th, 42nd, 75th, 108th, and 133rd in the nation overall = 79.2 average.
Of our top 5, they were 28th, 234th, 245th, 307th, and 380th in the nation overall = 238 average.
I'm curious. is this among WR only or overall. because overall rankings can be skewed according to other positional strengths.
In other words two WR in different years can have equal abilities, but one could be ranked 28th, his year and the other one 40th his year depending on how strong the DE or LB or DB class is.
Although, I would admit there appears to be a disparity.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 9/28/16 at 2:07 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Richt's construction of this Georgia team is certainly a relevant discussion on this board. His current Miami team is not.
It has some bearing to the extent that he changes his style, etc.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 2:35 pm to FaCubeItches
You have to love our fanbase...
We use to be divided by who hates Richt and who doesn't.
Now we are divided by who blames Richt on lack of talent and who blames Kirby on lack of coaching.
At least the new argument is something different.
We use to be divided by who hates Richt and who doesn't.
Now we are divided by who blames Richt on lack of talent and who blames Kirby on lack of coaching.
At least the new argument is something different.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 2:44 pm to Sandwich
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Now we are divided by who blames Richt on lack of talent and who blames Kirby on lack of coaching.
Enough blame to go around.
However, if you notice, it is still who wants Richt fired and who doesn't. just taking a slightly different stance. Somebody on here predicted thsi would happen, though.
They said the pro-Richt group would jump on every miscue, and the anti-Richt group would never admit that Smart could do anything wrong.
We have a Nostradamus among us! I wish I could remember who said it.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 2:53 pm to DawgsLife
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bad last year. Especially after Chubb got hurt.
Agree, and it lost a ton of experience and talent to graduation or the nfl while having to face tougher opposition.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 2:57 pm to djsdawg
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Agree, and it lost a ton of experience and talent to graduation or the nfl while having to face tougher opposition.
But......Nicholls? Check them out when you get a chance. It's not just that they are a small school playing other small schools. They are bad by small school standards.
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