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re: Kirby Smart and that entire coaching staff are a disgrace
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:37 am to Peter Buck
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:37 am to Peter Buck
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Tyler Catalina in his second year with the Redskins. Other than that he sucks?
Sucks is a strong word. But yeah.
7 games in 2 seasons in Washington. Earned playing time because of injury. He's already been released by the redskins once. Injured reserve all this season.
I'm guessing that you expect another game out of him?
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Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:45 am to Peter Buck
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Pretty clear the issue wasn’t a lack of talent. Looks more like growing pains looking back.
I think we learned in hindsight that Wynn needed to be at tackle and Catalina moved inside... perhaps Wynn wasn't quite ready in 16 for that, but that certainly seemed to be a personnel decision that maybe if made earlier might have alleviated some of the issues. Gaillard at Center my guess is was not ready in 16 (converted from DL). But it was clear that we were asking that group of OL to operate in a way that *collectively* they were not prepared to do in 2016...
Kirby wanted to be a power OL... that lineup was not capable of doing it at a consistently high level (at least in the configuration(s) that we tried)...
I still maintain that the talent of *that* OL was below what we have currently, but they probably were overly criticized to some degree as well.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:49 am to SemperFiDawg
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That said, I can think of nothing that screams “I feel bad about who I am and need some attention, even if it’s bad.” more than bumping a 2 year old thread in a tiny, trashy (for the most part),corner of the entire internet universe. Seek a pastor to talk to and look at the bright side; short of dying and going to Heel, your life can only improve.
You're taking this too hard.
I was looking through my bookmarks and noticed this thread talked a lot about Kirby after year three. Well, he's finished year 3 and it's time to revisit.
I apologize if you said something stupid in this thread and the bump offended you. It's really not something to be so upset about.
This post was edited on 12/7/18 at 11:50 am
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:51 am to samson'sseed
Why is anyone even responding to this poster. He's a known troll. Here's a few things he's posted throughout his time here.
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Compare away. I formerly thought Kirby's 1st year was similar to Goff's, but now I think it may get worse. At least Goff's first year team smeared some opponents.
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Still...f*ck McGarity for choosing Kirby Dumb.
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Kirby. I don't think the alumni will be too happy with the upcoming 5-7 and 0-12 finishes. Kirby is out in 2.
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Kirby Dumb should be fired. He is an abortion.
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Not ready for an 0-12 season. Yes, this coaching staff is that bad.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:57 am to Peter Buck
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So the 2016 Oline that sucked has
Catalina- 2nd year in NFL
Pyke- 2nd year in NFL
Wynn- 1st year in NFL and first round pick
Kublanow- was on Ravens... not sure if still on roster
Plus a few players on the team this year that are draft prospects.
Pretty clear the issue wasn’t a lack of talent. Looks more like growing pains looking back.
It probably is growing pains. but if I remember correcly we also played Pyke and Catalina at tackle when they are both pure guards. Also, Pyke is really only in his first year of the NFL since he was cut before the season started last year.
And Wynn proved to be a beast at tackle. It looks more of having the players in the wrong position and growing pains.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:02 pm to meansonny
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Sucks is a strong word. But yeah. 7 games in 2 seasons in Washington. Earned playing time because of injury. He's already been released by the redskins once. Injured reserve all this season. I'm guessing that you expect another game out of him?
The point is, he was portrayed as a trash player by the “experts”. A cast off from URI who wasn’t SEC material...yet, he is in his second year on a NFL roster. They don’t pay people for the hell of it. People just need to admit he had talent.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:06 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Why is anyone even responding to this poster. He's a known troll. Here's a few things he's posted throughout his time here.
Didn't even read OP, was just responding to PB myself. Good aggregation of data points though. 
Always good to know who I can discount without reading their posts to begin with.Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:08 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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It probably is growing pains. but if I remember correcly we also played Pyke and Catalina at tackle when they are both pure guards. Also, Pyke is really only in his first year of the NFL since he was cut before the season started last year. And Wynn proved to be a beast at tackle. It looks more of having the players in the wrong position and growing pains.
That’s valid. Maybe it was they were talented, but didn’t mesh well to create a 5 man line. That’s not what the narrative was for many.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:16 pm to Peter Buck
I’m disappointed I’m not in this thread.
Although I do now remember getting kicked in the nuts by a few on this Board for daring to imply in 2016 that you need to give a new coaching staff a pass on year 1 and 3 - 4 years before you judge their performance.
Although I do now remember getting kicked in the nuts by a few on this Board for daring to imply in 2016 that you need to give a new coaching staff a pass on year 1 and 3 - 4 years before you judge their performance.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:23 pm to Peter Buck
I'll be honest. I thought Catalina was garbage at LT when he was here. He has proven me wrong in that he's fought his way to an NFL roster.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 1:16 pm to Peter Buck
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People just need to admit he had talent.
Lots of people have talent. That doesn't make them competent or good.
He has gotten further than I expected. I know that out of 32 teams, one or two teams are decimated by injuries and desperate. And I shouldn't have been surprised that he was able to stick on a practice squad.
Do you expect him to play in another game? Where do you gauge his talent and effectiveness?
Posted on 12/7/18 at 1:19 pm to Peter Buck
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So the 2016 Oline that sucked has
Catalina- 2nd year in NFL
Pyke- 2nd year in NFL
Wynn- 1st year in NFL and first round pick
Kublanow- was on Ravens... not sure if still on roster
Catalina was playing LT for us immediatley after coming from the bush league. In the NFL he's a guard which his is natural position.
Pyke is an OG in the NFL, while he played out of position at tackle for us.
Wynn made his name and earned a 1st round pick by playing tackle. We played him at guard.
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Pretty clear the issue wasn’t a lack of talent.
It's not that they weren't "talented", they just weren't put in good position to excel IMO. Pittman wanted to do wiht those guys the same things we're doing now which just wasn't possible. So yeah you can call it growing pains but I think you're begin generous with touting the talent level simply by being in the NFL.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 1:27 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Also, Pyke is really only in his first year of the NFL since he was cut before the season started last year.
The guy was really hard to figure out.Had an outstanding year in '14 and NFL scouts had 'em pegged as a 2nd to 3rd draft pick and he seemingly regressed in '15 and '16
This post was edited on 12/7/18 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 12/7/18 at 2:24 pm to fibonaccisquared
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I still maintain that the talent of *that* OL was below what we have currently, but they probably were overly criticized to some degree as well.
That is not even debatable. There is absolutely no question that the coaches have been recruiting the OLine (well, pretty much every position) better.
I get, and understood the criticism of the Oline, but the problem seems to have been they were being played out of position. If I had to guess, now, I would say it was due to a lack of knowledge of the players. Pittman and Kirby were not familiar with the players, and ended up having some out of position.
I fro one am glad we are past all of that. I think we can all look back and say we are glad to have him as our coach..
Posted on 12/7/18 at 2:27 pm to meansonny
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Do you expect him to play in another game? Where do you gauge his talent and effectiveness?
I will tell you this...there is a world of difference from high school to college...and there is another world of difference in college to NFL. The fact he is on the roster says he was good. Maybe he did not do as well as we wanted, there is undeniable talent there.
I honestly don't know if people realize the talent it takes to make a NFL roster.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 2:29 pm to RD Dawg
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The guy was really hard to figure out.Had an outstanding year in '14 and NFL scouts had 'em pegged as a 2nd to 3rd draft pick and he seemingly regressed in '15 and '16
Someone correct me if I'm not remembering correctly, but he was with Friend in 14 and we ran a man blocking scheme and he thrived as a guard. Then we switched to a zone blocking scheme in 15 when Friend left and he struggled. Then we moved him to tackle and he struggled. I think.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 2:31 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Someone correct me if I'm not remembering correctly, but he was with Friend in 14 and we ran a man blocking scheme and he thrived as a guard. Then we switched to a zone blocking scheme in 15 when Friend left and he struggled. Then we moved him to tackle and he struggled. I think.
This does seem correct.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 2:40 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
I think thats correct.I know he played OG in '15
Boss,Theus and Pyke were all exceptional in '14.Boss was underrated as any OL who played @ UGA
Boss,Theus and Pyke were all exceptional in '14.Boss was underrated as any OL who played @ UGA
This post was edited on 12/7/18 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 12/7/18 at 3:25 pm to RD Dawg
it's pretty much a given around here in DC that Catalina is only on the roster due to the plague of injuries the redskins have had over the past two years on the O line. Point of fact Catalina is out PUP list himself.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 3:30 pm to BigDaddyDawg
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it's pretty much a given around here in DC that Catalina is only on the roster due to the plague of injuries the redskins have had over the past two years on the O line. Point of fact Catalina is out PUP list himself.
I think the point was that there are tackles starting for SEC teams that will never be on a NFL roster, and tons of them across the country that will never be on one.
In other words, he was not "garbage" as some said.
It's actually a moot point, and I found this thread interesting to see what all was said, but at the end of the day, everybody is happy we have Kirby Smart.
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