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re: Give this staff time!
Posted on 10/16/16 at 3:26 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 10/16/16 at 3:26 pm to DawgsLife
quote:Well tell me who were the teams we beat last year with a winning record and then post what their record was to finish the season. Again, the most overrated 10 win season ever last year!
What difference does that make? We won 10 games and are now playing and equal or weaker schedule this year, depending on who you talk to.
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Posted on 10/16/16 at 3:44 pm to DawgsLife
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We won 10 games and are now playing and equal or weaker schedule this year,
Are you suggesting we should be equal or better this year simply because they won 10 games?
-We lost Malcolm Mitchell and JSW, both of which would be clear cut #1 WRs on this team. The dropoff from them to davis/chigbu/mckenzie is staggering.
-We lost a former 5*, 4 year starting senior at LT.
-We lost a 6th year senior at RT.
-As such, we're playing a Rhode Island transfer at LT, a guy who could be a dominant guard at RT, and a guy we recruited at DT playing RG.
-We lost 2 senior DL who both had plenty of game experience
-We lost Floyd and Jenkins who both were easily taken to the NFL as pass rush specialists.
-We lost one of the best players on defense in a senior MLB who did nothing but make plays
-We also lost our senior kicker, senior punter, and senior long snapper.
You can't just say "we won 10 games last year" and expect us to automatically be on the same level the following. The above losses were significant, on top of the fact that the senior class who should be leading this team is one of the all time biggest class flops I've ever seen. Throw in a brand new coach and staff as the cherry on top and it's very easy to see why we shouldn't be a 10 win team again this year.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 3:52 pm to WG_Dawg
Quit using common sense WG
Posted on 10/16/16 at 3:57 pm to DawgGONIT
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Well tell me who were the teams we beat last year with a winning record and then post what their record was to finish the season. Again, the most overrated 10 win season ever last year!
You act like Richt never won 10 games before. he averaged 10 wins a season over a 15 season tenure. And I already did post their records. Most overrated? seriously? Have you looked at some of Ohio States the past few years? 2013, maybe? 2012? They beat nobody. Again. Richt averaged 10 wins a year.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 4:06 pm to DawgsLife
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Again. Richt averaged 10 wins a year.
what does this have to do with 2016, kirby, this staff, this team, or the OP of the thread?
Posted on 10/16/16 at 4:16 pm to WG_Dawg
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Are you suggesting we should be equal or better this year simply because they won 10 games?
No, I'm not.
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We lost Malcolm Mitchell and JSW, both of which would be clear cut #1 WRs on this team. The dropoff from them to davis/chigbu/mckenzie is staggering.
Not sure about staggering, but it was a drop off. however, Lambert couldn't get the ball to them, so how big of a drop off could it be? (I'm pretty sure JSW graduated the year before, didn't he?) And we returned a 5* WR from last season. (Godwin)
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-We lost a former 5*, 4 year starting senior at LT.
And replaced him with a LT that will be drafted into the NFL. Everbody screamed how bad Theus was, and now he was all world?
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-We lost a 6th year senior at RT.
That really did not play very well, if we are honest.
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As such, we're playing a Rhode Island transfer at LT,
Come on WG. He is expected to go to the NFL.
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We lost 2 senior DL who both had plenty of game experience
That hurt. But we probably have two more talented guys in there now. raw, but talented. And Trent Thompson is healthy and dominating.
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We lost Floyd and Jenkins who both were easily taken to the NFL as pass rush specialists.
No argument. This, in my opinion was the biggest loss.
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We lost one of the best players on defense in a senior MLB who did nothing but make plays
yep. but MLB is NOT a position that is hurting us.
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We also lost our senior kicker, senior punter, and senior long snapper.
Long snapper is not hurting us, and it appears as if our kicking problem has been solved. (I hope)
EVERY school loses a lot of talent. And players step in every year. We can go on about the players we lost, but every year we lose a lot of talent.
We also gained:
-A huge upgrade at QB.
-A MUCH better OC.
-Trent Thompson who was hurt a lot last year is back and healthy.
-gained a NFL OL.
-Ridley is looking like a pretty nifty WR
-Got a healthy Chubb back (Or semi healthy)
I am not saying we have a better team. but we will have had a MUCH better record. And, the addition of Eason? Let's say that McKenzie is on pace to have close to the same number of yards that Mitchell had. Our passing attack is much better. My argument is don't blame the performance on a lack of talent. it simply does not explain Nicholls, South carolina, Missouri, or Vanderbilt. We clearly have better talent than they do, and it's not even close.
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You can't just say "we won 10 games last year" and expect us to automatically be on the same level the following.
I agree. Nobody said we are on the same level. our record proves it. But our performance says we are far below what we were last year. We struggled last year because we had Lambert at QB and Chubb was hurt. We had no offense to fall back on, and Sony did a great job, but he was the only weapon.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 4:21 pm to WG_Dawg
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what does this have to do with 2016, kirby, this staff, this team, or the OP of the thread?
Not a thing. but they are acting like Richt winning 10 games was a fluke. It was due to an easy schedule...because, after all, he wasn't a good coach. I realize they did not come out and say it, but they certainly are insinuating it.
Amazing to me that when they wanted Richt fired the story was:
ANY coach could win 10 games with the talent Georgia has, the schedule they play, and we play in the east.
Now, we have no talent, the schedule is horrendous and I guess the east is just a force to be reckoned with.
Are we left with depth issues? yes. but that is what we have. Depth issues. We have MUCH more talent than all the teams that are beating us or playing us close, except for Ole Miss. And they might lose 5 games this year with an outside shot at losing 6.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 4:27 pm to DawgsLife
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No, I'm not.
then I don't see how pointing out we won 10 games last year is relevant to this year or the discussion. The only reason to mention 10 games is to suggest that we should be about on par with that this year. If that's not what you're saying...why bring it up?
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Not sure about staggering, but it was a drop off. however, Lambert couldn't get the ball to them, so how big of a drop off could it be? (I'm pretty sure JSW graduated the year before, didn't he?) And we returned a 5* WR from last season. (Godwin)
-It was a monumental dropoff.
-Lambert is irrelevant to the quality of our WRs in 15 compared to 16.
-Yes we did return Godwin, great. He's not even close to MM's caliber.
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And replaced him with a LT that will be drafted into the NFL. Everbody screamed how bad Theus was, and now he was all world?
For starters nobody has ever said he was all world so not sure why you're putting words in mouths. FAct is, he clearly had the measurables (being a 5* recruit) and if you start at LT for 4 years in the SEC you must be kinda decent. The guy we replaced him with came from rhode island. Let that sink in. And you can say he'll "be drafted in the NFL", which is extremely misleading considering AJ Green and Kris Durham were both also "drafted in the NFL" but I'd say one is a bit better than the other.
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That really did not play very well, if we are honest.
he was so so, but at least he wasn't being forced to play out of position because we weren't left with any capable tackles after the last 3/4 recruiting cycles.
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He is expected to go to the NFL.
ok? What does that have to do with the dropoff to him from theus? Against UF, every 4 or 5 or so pass plays just hone in on TC and watch him. There's only so many times I can watch a DE simply blow right past him before I realize the guy isn't very good.
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That hurt. But we probably have two more talented guys in there now. raw, but talented
Right, and if we were talking about our future that'd be dynamite. But we're currently talking about the differences from the '16 squad compared to the '15 team. And right now, sterling and dawson would be clear cut starters on the line this year.
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it appears as if our kicking problem has been solved.
Our punting is still bad and 1 game of making field goals doesn't erase the previous 6 of garbage.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 4:30 pm to DawgsLife
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Nope. South Carolina has only been once.
Wasn't talking about SC on that one, that was Mizzou. They've been twice since the last time we went.
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I'm not sure if you are saying we are better that our record, or if we are worse. Any way you slice it, we are NOT playing at the level the talent we currently have should allow us to play. Do you agree with this statement, or disagree?
Kind of a chicken and egg matter. Are we playing at the level of our talent on paper? Based on results to date, seems like no. Is our level of talent on paper overrated, and in some cases badly so? Based on results to date, seems like yes.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 4:35 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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You think someone getting paid 3.75 million a year doesn't have more culpability than a bunch of kids getting a free education?
He's a government employee - when was the last time one of those has been held accountable for anything?
Posted on 10/16/16 at 4:43 pm to Bulldawg2010
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Was expecting a 8/9 win season
That may be part of the problem - expectations were overly high. Given all the coaching turnover in the last couple of years, a dud senior class, a brand new coaching staff, this year probably wasn't going to be stellar - just too many variables. Whatever happens, happens. Next year will should give us a much better idea of what to expect going forward.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 4:50 pm to WG_Dawg
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then I don't see how pointing out we won 10 games last year is relevant to this year or the discussion.
It isn't, and I didn't bring it up. I was merely responding to the person that made like 10 wins last season was nothing. Well, we did it with Lambert at QB and Chubb was hurt and we had Schottenheimer as OC. Taking those into consideration, I think 10 wins was pretty good!
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-It was a monumental dropoff.
-Lambert is irrelevant to the quality of our WRs in 15 compared to 16.
But it is. It doesn't matter how good your receivers were if the QB could not get the ball to them. We have a more effective passing game this year than we did last year, just because of the threat to throw down field. McKenzie is on pace to get as many yards as Mitchell. (Not quite but close) McKenzies is not near the receiver Malcolm Mitchell was. the difference? Lambert to Eason. The QB makes a LOT of difference in the passing game.
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For starters nobody has ever said he was all world so not sure why you're putting words in mouths. FAct is, he clearly had the measurables (being a 5* recruit) and if you start at LT for 4 years in the SEC you must be kinda decent.
So you are saying Theus was decent. I agree. i thought he was very good, actually...but not a 5*. However, we are replacing a NFL talent with a NFL talent. it isn't like we got a scrub from Rhode Island. Forget the school Jerry Rice went to mississippi State Valley, (Or something,like that) for drying out loud.
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he was so so, but at least he wasn't being forced to play out of position because we weren't left with any capable tackles after the last 3/4 recruiting cycles.
Understood and agree. but the coaches are playing our guys out of position. We run the ball up the middle so much, don't you think it would be more beneficial to have our natural Guards playing....guard?
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ok? What does that have to do with the dropoff to him from theus?
I am saying no drop off, or at least not much. They are both NFL caliber linemen. As for your comparison of Durham and Green? Do you really want to compare Theus level talent with AJ green? I think you've overshot Theus...is he even starting in the NFL? I honestly don't know.
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Right, and if we were talking about our future that'd be dynamite. But we're currently talking about the differences from the '16 squad compared to the '15 team. And right now, sterling and dawson would be clear cut starters on the line this year.
Sure. Again, you are right....but we return a healthy Trent Thompson and that has been HUGE. Marshall ahs been playing nights out, as well. Do I think this team is better or even as good as last years. Heck no. I am not arguing that point at all. I'm stupid but not THAT stupid. (Please don't correct me)
The ONLY thing I am arguing is that we have a lot more talent on our team than SC, Mizzou, Nicholls and Vanderbilt. For people to get bent out of shape for anybody criticizing Smart is mind boggling to me. Look through my posts if you get a chance and see if I have leveled undue criticism towards Smart, or even have been overly harsh. Yet I have been called names, told I should be a Tennessee fan, and all kinds of other stuff that I would rather not repeat. Some of those same people are *shock* criticizing Smart for yesterday for the exact same stuff I criticized him for.
I have criticized him for the confusion of the players during the game, clock management, ill preparedness, and allowing Nicholls (most notably) play us so close.
However, I have also praised him on several points. While the Tennessee game was not perfect, I felt he did a great job of preparing the team, and getting them ready for a tough game after a tough loss.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 4:51 pm to DawgsLife
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Now, we have no talent, the schedule is horrendous and I guess the east is just a force to be reckoned with.
Hyperbole much. Kindly quote anyone who stated this. I haven't seen it.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 4:52 pm to FaCubeItches
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That may be part of the problem - expectations were overly high.
This nails it. I think a lot of people expected him to come in and we would magically turn into Alabama 2.0. It just doesn't work that way most times.
Crap. A lot of us? Go to the preseason prediction thread and I bet all of us predicted 8-4 or 9-3. I know I had us at 9-3. We all should have known better, but in the preseason we are undefeated and getting better by the day.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 4:53 pm to GurleyGirl
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Hyperbole much. Kindly quote anyone who stated this. I haven't seen it.
You mean....you haven't said that we have very little talent? Should I find your quotes?
Posted on 10/16/16 at 4:57 pm to DawgsLife
quote:That's just a lie, you were the first person in this thread to bring up that 10 win season: "2) Very few first year Head Coaches take over a team that won 10 games the previous season."
It isn't, and I didn't bring it up.
quote:Can you actually find a site that says he'll get drafted? He's not even listed with the UDFAs on a couple of sites I just looked at.
However, we are replacing a NFL talent with a NFL talent.
quote:You hear that guys, some shitty school produced a great player that one time so that somehow makes sense in this argument.
Forget the school Jerry Rice went to mississippi State Valley, (Or something,like that) for drying out loud.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 5:30 pm to SumterCoDawg
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That's just a lie,
Dude. You need to chill out.
I said that because somebody said first year coaches do not do well. All I said was most first year coaches don't take over a team that won 10 games the previous season. I wasn't comparing the two teams, saying one should be as good as the other.
Wow. You really can't stand for anybody to say anything bad about Kirby Smart, can you?
Do you need a xanax, or something?
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Can you actually find a site that says he'll get drafted?
Yes. It was in a thread about the ranking the teams with the most NFL talent. I'm sure you can find it on your own. Catalina was mentioned with two other OL, that would be drafted.
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You hear that guys, some shitty school produced a great player that one time so that somehow makes sense in this argument.
Dude. Do you seriously believe Jerry rice is the only player to come from a small school and do VERY well in the NFL? SERIOUSLY???
There are TONS of players in the NFL that played at very small schools. Georgia State had one drafted 2-3 years ago. Do you have any idea where Tony Romo or Joe Flacco went to school? No? I didn't think so?
This post was edited on 10/16/16 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 10/16/16 at 5:55 pm to DawgsLife
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Yes. It was in a thread about the ranking the teams with the most NFL talent. I'm sure you can find it on your own. Catalina was mentioned with two other OL, that would be drafted.
I don't think it said that.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 6:55 pm to DawgsLife
quote:You really don't read too goodly. Of course some good players come from schools you've never heard of sometimes, but justifying Catalina being a good player from a small school by bringing up the greatest WR ever also coming from a small school makes absolutely 0 sense.
Do you seriously believe Jerry rice is the only player to come from a small school and do VERY well in the NFL? SERIOUSLY???
quote:But then you said you weren't the one who first brought up the 10 win season, just calling out some more of your BS. It is funny you think I'm all riled up or something though.
I said that because somebody said first year coaches do not do well.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 7:26 pm to SumterCoDawg
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You really don't read too goodly.
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