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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:32 am to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:32 am to Crowknowsbest
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I'm kind of missing the point about how it benefits law enforcement agencies.
It gives cops something to do and keeps more of them employed.
Because they don't have enough to do?
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:34 am to DawgsLife
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Because they don't have enough to do?
if they are busting kids in the dorms....then yes
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:38 am to Barstools
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1. LSD does not come from a plant, it's made in a chemistry lab.
I don't know where it comes from today...but:
LSD was first made by Albert Hofmann in Switzerland in 1938 from ergotamine, a chemical from the fungus ergot.
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2. Cocaine is a concentrated form of alkalines extracted from the leaves using other chemicals and made into a paste in a lab. People have been chewing the leaves for thousands of years with no ill effects.
Question. Does it come from a plant, or not? Yes, it does. I am not arguing that it is not processed. I am arguing that it comes from a plant. It does.
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2. Heroine is a female hero, not derived plant. Heroin is made from the sap of a flower in a lab. See cocaine above.
Heroin was first made by C. R. Alder Wright in 1874 from morphine, a natural product of the opium poppy.
plant.
I have just showed they they do come from plants. Than you. Just because something comes from a plant does not make it safe, nor does it make it legal. To imply otherwise is being dishonest, and you know it.
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Fungus is not considered a plant. Scientists are not sure whether to classify it as a plant or animal, so my point about LSD is wrong.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 8:48 am
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:40 am to DawgCountry
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Because they don't have enough to do?
if they are busting kids in the dorms....then yes
Again. It is their jobs. They cannot ignore a call. they cannot ignore a kid when passed out behind the wheel of their car.
Again. Not a thing would be said if he did not play football.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:44 am to djsdawg
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I don't think getting kids arrested is in the job description. When I went to uga, RAs were there to HELP students - offer guidance and maintain general order in the dorms, not sniff out any and all illegal activities. Our ra didn't call the cops on us, and we were all fine.
You know what? This is immaterial. It was the RA's job. If you want to blame the RA because EH decided to break the law go ahead. It's no skin off my face.
It all boils down to your not agreeing with the law. But, it is the law. if you don't like the law, then change it, or change the way UGA handles it. but to blame the RA is wrong.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:48 am to DawgsLife
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Just because something comes from a plant does not make it safe, nor does it make it legal. To imply otherwise is being dishonest, and you know it.
But we are talking about weed and not those things. Huge difference between them.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:50 am to DawgsLife
quote:A fungus, not a plant. And also it's made from ergotamine, there is a ton of chemistry involved in that which has to be done in a lab and is very 'not naturally occurring.' Ergotamine is simply a precursor.
I don't know where it comes from today...but: LSD was first made by Albert Hofmann in Switzerland in 1938 from ergotamine, a chemical from the fungus ergot.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:50 am to DawgsLife
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You know what? This is immaterial. It was the RA's job.
A good ra on that hall and eh isn't in jail with his name tarnished by shame. That's what it boils down to. I am glad I had a good ra who was there to help us rather than nail us.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:51 am to DawgsLife
Drug enforcement is a huge cash cow for the law enforcement industry. This is not even up for debate. It may not help the front line guys, but then again, not many E-4s are getting rich off the war on terror, but Lockheed Martin is...
I think the irony with marijuana vs opioids is that I could grow marijuana and make use of it without a chemist or the help of the government.
Yet, I can legally hit my head repeatedly against other big dudes heads for free college and if I get hurt, Ron C can hook me up with highly addictive opioids.... but I can't grow marijuana and smoke it in my dorm at 3am cause it's dangerous....
Seriously, we have lost our fricking minds....
I think the irony with marijuana vs opioids is that I could grow marijuana and make use of it without a chemist or the help of the government.
Yet, I can legally hit my head repeatedly against other big dudes heads for free college and if I get hurt, Ron C can hook me up with highly addictive opioids.... but I can't grow marijuana and smoke it in my dorm at 3am cause it's dangerous....
Seriously, we have lost our fricking minds....
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:55 am to DawgsLife
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Because they don't have enough to do?
If marijuana laws didn't exist or were not enforced, a lot of law enforcement and prison staff literally would not have enough to do.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:56 am to DawgsLife
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of missing the point about how it benefits law enforcement agencies.
If the agencies didn't have laws to enforce, then what would their purpose be? Ever heard of police property seizure and fines through drug laws? It's all about the money.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:59 am to DawgsLife
You realize fungi are not plants, right? Or Are you doubling down on the dumb.
And I never said heroin and cocaine didn't come from a plant. I said they have to be processed in a lab. Heroin and cocaine are no the natural form of the plant. Also heroin and morphine are different. Heroin has chemicals added to it to make it enter your blood quicker. You cannot compare a chemically altered substances to an natural substance without looking like an idiot.
Marijuana is used it its unaltered natural form. If you are comparing that to processed chemicals I cannot help you. You have the reasoning skills of a fungus.
EDIT:, I see you other post, you acknowledged you were wrong about LSD.
And I never said heroin and cocaine didn't come from a plant. I said they have to be processed in a lab. Heroin and cocaine are no the natural form of the plant. Also heroin and morphine are different. Heroin has chemicals added to it to make it enter your blood quicker. You cannot compare a chemically altered substances to an natural substance without looking like an idiot.
Marijuana is used it its unaltered natural form. If you are comparing that to processed chemicals I cannot help you. You have the reasoning skills of a fungus.
EDIT:, I see you other post, you acknowledged you were wrong about LSD.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 9:30 am
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:07 am to Peter Buck
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Yet, I can legally hit my head repeatedly against other big dudes heads for free college and if I get hurt, Ron C can hook me up with highly addictive opioids.... but I can't grow marijuana and smoke it in my dorm at 3am cause it's dangerous....
Seriously, we have lost our fricking minds....
The people that have lost their minds are the people who think marijuana is illegal because it's bad for you.
Big pharma, their lobbyists, politicians, law enforcement, etc. are all acting very rationally. They get paid more this way.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:12 am to djsdawg
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But we are talking about weed and not those things. Huge difference between them.
You are correct, of course. Someone just insinuated that because it came from a plant it was safe and no big deal. It may, or may not be a big deal...but the fact it came from a plant is not what makes it a big deal or not.
However, we agree on your point.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:12 am to Crowknowsbest
...but this is the same group who subverts Democracies and installs dictators in the name of freedom and democracy. 
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:12 am to TMDawg
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A fungus, not a plant.
I amended my post to show that.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:15 am to djsdawg
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A good ra on that hall and eh isn't in jail with his name tarnished by shame. That's what it boils down to. I am glad I had a good ra who was there to help us rather than nail us.
I think this is where we might disagree. For me a good RA is on who does what they were intended. However, I honestly don't know EXACTLY what is expected of a RA. Are they supposed to report illegal activity, or are they supposed to just make sure people are no tearing stuff up?
Is there a clear set of responsibilities that a RA has?
I am perfectly willing to admit that I might be wrong on this.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:24 am to Crowknowsbest
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If marijuana laws didn't exist or were not enforced, a lot of law enforcement and prison staff literally would not have enough to do.
That's an interesting thought process, and you might be right. However, I came across this:
Traffic fatalities double since marijuana legalized in Colorado
Now, after I found this, I did some digging, and I found that a large number of people who tested positive for marijuana in their system after a fatal accident also tested positive for alcohol. the question, would be then...was it the alcohol or the marijuana that caused the accident...or neither? It's nearly impossible to say definitively, however, alcohol was legalized long before marijuana was, and if the numbers almost doubled, then it is reasonable to draw a conclusion that marijuana was responsible for at least a large portion of the statistic.
Ask any cop if he would rather ding a kid for marijuana or work a fatality and I think we know what he would say.
I know this is a subject that we could go on about for days or weeks and not get anywhere....and whether marijuana should be legalized or not is not what this thread is about. I shouldn't have gotten involved, as it will just spill over into posts concerning football. people can't/won't separate my views about marijuana with my views on football. It was dumb of me to speak up, as no good will come of it.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 9:25 am
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:32 am to DawgsLife
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Now, after I found this, I did some digging, and I found that a large number of people who tested positive for marijuana in their system after a fatal accident also tested positive for alcohol. the question, would be then...was it the alcohol or the marijuana that caused the accident...or neither? It's nearly impossible to say definitively, however, alcohol was legalized long before marijuana was, and if the numbers almost doubled, then it is reasonable to draw a conclusion that marijuana was responsible for at least a large portion of the statistic.
No one's talking about making it legal to smoke weed and drive. We're talking about a kid being pulled out of his dorm room in the middle of the night.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:32 am to Barstools
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And I never said heroin and cocaine didn't come from a plant. I said they have to be processed in a lab.
That was the whole point. I said they came from pants and you argued. I wasn't arguing that there was not some processing to be done.
It isn't MY reading comprehension that should be called into question.
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EDIT:, I see you other post, you acknowledged you were wrong about LSD.
That's the problem with amending a post. Sometimes the intended doesn't see it until it is too late. My bad. I should have posted separately.
The point was that someone (You? I don't know and don't want to go back to see because it is irrelevant) insinuated that marijuana was safe because it is from a plant. I was merely pointing out that just because it comes from a plant does not make it harmless.
All of that said...check my post to Crow. I should never have gotten into this thread. I knew better, but sometimes I just can't help myself!
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