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Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:08 pm to tmc94
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:08 pm to tmc94
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This is why debating with you is a complete waste of time...because you do in fact take every statement at face value and refuse to consider the obvious that it is his job to go spin for his coaches. And when he does an obvious bad spin job, you think it's because he's stupid, or he thinks you're stupid, not because he's stuck.
Or because he's incredibly shitty at it. Which do you think is a better spin job?
1. If it’s too good to be true, it’s usually too good to be true. My job is to manage expectations that define reality. Let’s be realistic about what we’re trying to do.
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2. Unrealistic expectations in preseason polls are a major factor in major disappointments. Perfect examples are the Big 12 coaches preseason poll prior to the 2011-2012 basketball season and the extreme expectations for the 2013 football season. How many preseason #1 teams in college baseball have crashed and burned over the last couple of years?
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Nor do you consider the fact that virtually every public statement by coach or AD at every school has an inside audience. When Sumlin says Trey Williams is "really good with the ball in his hands", it appears to be him praising Trey to the fanbase.
Do you think I'm stupid? Of course I know that he's telling Trey why Ben Malena is starting over him...because he needs to improve his blocking.
Not only that, Coach Sumlin has a reputation as knowing what he's talking about. Hyman has a reputation at South Carolina too...and not a good one.
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But because it fits your world view, you would rather assume Hyman is stupid than empathize with the situation he's in or consider who he may be talking to.
I bet you give Jay Carney and Eric Shinseki the same benefit of the doubt, right?
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Anyway, guy is returning. You go out and appear to support the frick out of him til he's not. It's really that simple.
You do what Bill Byrne did and give the Franchione "vote of confidence". You don't go over the top with terrible spin.
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The same thing will be true when it comes to Childress and we all look forward to your melt if that happens
Childress did enough to save his job. Unfortunately, it's like when Slocum won the Big 12 in 1998. The best we'll ever do under Childress going forward is making a regional as a 2 or 3 seed. If and when that's deemed not good enough, action will happen.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 3:20 pm
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Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:26 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Childress did enough to save his job. Unfortunately, it's like when Slocum won the Big 12 in 1998.
All BS and joking aside, if this is where your expectations are, no team is ever going to satisfy you. Our coach "unfortunately" wins the conference? Good grief.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:35 pm to Projectpat
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All BS and joking aside, if this is where your expectations are, no team is ever going to satisfy you. Our coach "unfortunately" wins the conference? Good grief.
It resulted in a 7 year contract extension. Let's compare what Slocum and Childress did following their breakout seasons:
Slocum (won Big 12 in 1998)
1999: 8-4 (5-3) - shut out by Nebraska and Penn State, humiliated by Stoops in Norman
2000: 7-5 (5-3) - 22 game home win streak ended by a 3-8 Colorado team, 1st and goal from the Oklahoma 8 down 4...no Toombs, loss in the Snow Bowl to Jackie.
2001: 8-4 (4-4) - another loss to Colorado, OU, t.u., 12-0 loss in Lubbock, first bowl win for Slocum since 1995 over fat Fran. Wally Groff stated that the record doesn't matter as long as the seats are filled. Many media outlets predicted that A&M would never be better than 8-4 as long as Slocum remained there.
2002: 6-6 (3-5) - Picked to go 10-2 in preseason, managed to choke 3+ score leads to Texas Tech and Nebraska, followed up a win over #1 OU with a 2OT loss to a 5-7 Missouri team. Back then, a losing record at Kyle was UNTHINKABLE
Childress (went to CWS in 2011, 2+Q)
2012: 43-18 (16-8) - Managed to get run out of the College Station regional with a team that had House, Naquin, and Juengel at the plate and Wacha and Stripling on the mound.
2013: 34-29 (13-16) - Plodding along all season before Oregon State put an end to it in Corvallis.
2014: 36-26 (14-16) - Won series vs. Florida, Vanderbilt, and LSU, 2-0 vs. Rice, yet still managed to go .500 in conference and we all know what happened this weekend.
Looks like more of the same.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:48 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
WINNER: CGSC
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:50 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
you realize that RC's biggest issue was nothing he had control over dont you?
Wally Groff and the BMA's running the show at the time flat refused give him the money needed to hang onto his better assistants or to upgrade facilities to the level needed to compete with OU, Texas, and Nebraska.
for petes sake his office wasn't even big enough for a recruit and both his parents to sit down in.
Wally Groff and the BMA's running the show at the time flat refused give him the money needed to hang onto his better assistants or to upgrade facilities to the level needed to compete with OU, Texas, and Nebraska.
for petes sake his office wasn't even big enough for a recruit and both his parents to sit down in.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:54 pm to Dr RC
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you realize that RC's biggest issue was nothing he had control over dont you?
If Slocum won the Texas Tech (led by 18 mid-third), Nebraska (led by 17 late third), and Missouri (2OT) games in 2002, he's 9-3, going to a bowl game, and preparing to coach the 2003 season, likely with a rock solid recruiting class and Kevin Sumlin as an offensive Coordinator. Hell, I'll even throw in the Virginia Tech game in which they held the Hokies to less than 200 total yards of offense but still lost 13-3 and resulted in Dino Babers firing.
In each of the seasons I mentioned, there was one or more WTF losses and missed opportunities which would have changed the course of the season in his favor (Colorado, Oklahoma, Miss. State 2000, Colorado, Texas Tech, Texas 2001, every loss in 2002 except for Texas)
Or have you forgotten all about Mr. "Haaaalf the teeyammmms in cawledge footbawll lawsst todayyy and we playyed a pretty good team"?
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:01 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
you really are incapable of seeing the forest through the trees aren't you?
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:04 pm to Dr RC
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you really are incapable of seeing the forest through the trees aren't you?
So you're seriously telling me that lack of facilities was the reason that Slocum was 2-5 against Texas Tech in Big 12 play...or the reason that he was 1-4 vs. Colorado, a school that is capped BY STATE LAW on what it can pay its assistant coaches...or the reason he needed a breakup of a hail mary pass to keep from losing to Baylor at Kyle in 2001?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:16 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
jesus fricking christ you are a brick wall of mindlessness
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Refusing to keep up with teh facilities arms race plus refusing to give him teh money needed to keep guys like Davie from leaving led to a slow decline.
Once Texas and OU passed us w/facilities and coaching money we were fricked b/c they started sucking up all the best recruits.
Again RC's office was a tiny arse POS that you couldn't fit 3 chairs into attached to a parking garage while Mack had a kick arse huge room that had a view of DKRs field. That kind of shite makes a huge difference on impressions.
Not being able to secure your staff b/c you don't have the money to do so has a long term effect and causes talent drain b/c recruits don't want to go to a place where their guy might be gone.
Even Tech was on the ball w/this stuff plus they were lucky enough to pick up on the switch to spread offense earlier than most everyone else. Colorado was much like Nebraska w/steroids and accepting mongoloids that no other school could stomach and once that caught up with them w/shite tons of woman beating and rape issues (I'm not even talking about that kicker BTW) it wrecked them.
AND USING CAPS does not make your points any better.
I'm sorry but you don't know what the frick you are taking about. You don't know how the inner working of the school are or have been. You refuse to accept reality when you don't like what it is.
Its not as simple as well this coach should be better. I'm sorry but it just isn't. There are tons of behind the scenes things that have a heavy impact on if you are successful or not.
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Refusing to keep up with teh facilities arms race plus refusing to give him teh money needed to keep guys like Davie from leaving led to a slow decline.
Once Texas and OU passed us w/facilities and coaching money we were fricked b/c they started sucking up all the best recruits.
Again RC's office was a tiny arse POS that you couldn't fit 3 chairs into attached to a parking garage while Mack had a kick arse huge room that had a view of DKRs field. That kind of shite makes a huge difference on impressions.
Not being able to secure your staff b/c you don't have the money to do so has a long term effect and causes talent drain b/c recruits don't want to go to a place where their guy might be gone.
Even Tech was on the ball w/this stuff plus they were lucky enough to pick up on the switch to spread offense earlier than most everyone else. Colorado was much like Nebraska w/steroids and accepting mongoloids that no other school could stomach and once that caught up with them w/shite tons of woman beating and rape issues (I'm not even talking about that kicker BTW) it wrecked them.
AND USING CAPS does not make your points any better.
I'm sorry but you don't know what the frick you are taking about. You don't know how the inner working of the school are or have been. You refuse to accept reality when you don't like what it is.
Its not as simple as well this coach should be better. I'm sorry but it just isn't. There are tons of behind the scenes things that have a heavy impact on if you are successful or not.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:22 pm to Dr RC
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needed to keep guys like Davie from leaving
We lost Bob Davie to Notre Dame after the 1993 season to be their Defensive Coordinator and then their Head Coach after Holtz left.
Piss poor example.
Let's examine the other coaches that left after the 1993 season:
Bob Toledo - UCLA OC, then Head Coach
Mike Sherman - UCLA OL, then back to A&M as OC
Terry Price - Left for Western Kentucky as Strength and Conditioning Coach
Clancy Barone - Left for Eastern Illinois to coach OL (was assistant OL coach)
David Cully - Left to become WR coach for Tampa Bay
Gary Kubiak - Left to become QB coach the San Francisco
Todd Howard - Left for the Grinnell Pioneers
Kirk Doll - Followed Bob Davie to Notre Dame
Gee, I wonder what happened to prompt all but 2 of R.C. Slocum's assistants to leave prior to the 1994 season. It wouldn't happen to do with someone named Warren Gilbert, would it?
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:27 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Holtz left ND after '96 and not of his own accord. Davie left b/c of the better pay ND could offer. He turned them down initially. I personally have heard him say that was exactly why he left.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:31 pm to Dr RC
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Davie left b/c of the better pay ND could offer
Do you really think we can compete NOW with Notre Dame in terms of what we can pay?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:39 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
if we really want the guy and we are talking football staff?
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these days we can compete with anyone b/c the BMAs finally understand how the CFB arms race works.
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these days we can compete with anyone b/c the BMAs finally understand how the CFB arms race works.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:41 pm to Dr RC
I personally think we have a year or two to go to catch Notre Dame from a purely monetary standpoint.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:49 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
I'm not saying we have more money than them.
I'm saying we can field competitive offers for coaches if our HC or AD thinks we need them.
Back then our admin wouldn't do it.
They had an Old Army "the stuff you have is good enough" mentality that just didn't jive with the growing importance of money in college sports.
I'm saying we can field competitive offers for coaches if our HC or AD thinks we need them.
Back then our admin wouldn't do it.
They had an Old Army "the stuff you have is good enough" mentality that just didn't jive with the growing importance of money in college sports.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:57 pm to tmc94
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It depends on who leaves but if Mengden comes back and pitches like last year, with him, Long, Stubb you've got what should be a nasty rotation.
Welp, think we can rule out Mengden returning. He just got picked by the Astros in the 4th. Not only will the money be good, but he's from Houston
Posted on 6/6/14 at 1:06 pm to tmc94
Well shite.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 1:08 pm to tmc94
Wow, earlier than I expected. 'stros love the SEC!
Posted on 6/6/14 at 1:09 pm to tmc94
Damn. It will be interesting to see how he pans out. I'm confident in Long on Fridays next year though
Posted on 6/6/14 at 1:11 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Long, Corey Ray, & Tyler Stub. Plus IDK who else is coming in(HS & JUCO).
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