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Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:34 am to finestfirst79
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:34 am to finestfirst79
Between Pat defending our coaches to the death and CGSC firing them after every game, I'd say the whole thing evens out.
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Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:40 am to tmc94
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The whole sky is falling schtick is getting pretty fricking old at this point. Nobody is happy wit where Baseball/Basketball are at right now and we know Hyman needs to fix it but, posting the same thing day after day is irritating and pointless. It adds nothing to tArk.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:07 am to CGSC Lobotomy
And again, another aggie coach and team falling short of any real success...that will be allowed to stay thanks to the shite spinning eric hyman.
I reeeally don't like this guy, and his forced optimistic bullshite.
I reeeally don't like this guy, and his forced optimistic bullshite.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 8:10 am
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:04 am to betweenthebara
My thoughts about the baseball program in a rational manner-
The baseball program feels like the football program in Sherman's last year right now.
A lot of people wanted him fired, but a lot of people were apologists. RC's teams seem very similar as well in that, mentally, they just don't have it in the big games (see post season/bowl games).
That loss last night made me think of 25-27 and how on Earth we could ever lose that game. A lot of people blamed the players and not the coach, just like now. I will never understand that argument. Head coaches make the big bucks because they are the ones responsible for wins and losses, and no one else.
When coach Sumlin came here, the first thing he did was make us a tougher football team. That Florida game in 2012, you could see a marked difference in the demeanor of our team. We expected to win.
RC's teams hope to win, not expect. You could see it on the sip players faces. They knew we didn't have it and they taunted us for it. They barked at us and we pissed down our legs.
I like a lot of things RC has done, but the guy does not instill confidence in his team. We will never win a national championship this way, and that should be our end game (at least competing).
We will continue to be an average baseball program until we learn to expect and demand more.
The baseball program feels like the football program in Sherman's last year right now.
A lot of people wanted him fired, but a lot of people were apologists. RC's teams seem very similar as well in that, mentally, they just don't have it in the big games (see post season/bowl games).
That loss last night made me think of 25-27 and how on Earth we could ever lose that game. A lot of people blamed the players and not the coach, just like now. I will never understand that argument. Head coaches make the big bucks because they are the ones responsible for wins and losses, and no one else.
When coach Sumlin came here, the first thing he did was make us a tougher football team. That Florida game in 2012, you could see a marked difference in the demeanor of our team. We expected to win.
RC's teams hope to win, not expect. You could see it on the sip players faces. They knew we didn't have it and they taunted us for it. They barked at us and we pissed down our legs.
I like a lot of things RC has done, but the guy does not instill confidence in his team. We will never win a national championship this way, and that should be our end game (at least competing).
We will continue to be an average baseball program until we learn to expect and demand more.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:36 am to Bob Ag
I don't disagree. But the problem, if there is one, is that Rob Childress has probably done just enough again to avoid the chopping block. But the trajectory of the program is not inspiring
2007 48-19
Big 12 Tournament Champions
NCAA Super Regional
2008 46-19
Big 12 Champions
NCAA Super Regional
2009 37-24
NCAA Regional
2010 43-20-1
Big 12 Tournament Champions
NCAA Regional
2011 42-18
Big 12 co-Champions
Big 12 Tournament Champions
College World Series
2012 43-18
NCAA Regional
2013 34-29
NCAA Regional
2014 36-26
NCAA Regional
Since 2011 we gave Childress a raise and remodeled Olsen. We invested in indoor facilities. We put up the largest video board in the nation. But since that time, the program is going backwards with no hint that things are going to turn around soon.
I think most of us can live with a rebuilding year every once in a while. 2012 was bitterly disappointing but we did lose all our talent after that year so 2013 he gets a pass in my book, just like 09.
But I have to say, looking at that history, it's going to be really really hard to fire RC this year.
2007 48-19
Big 12 Tournament Champions
NCAA Super Regional
2008 46-19
Big 12 Champions
NCAA Super Regional
2009 37-24
NCAA Regional
2010 43-20-1
Big 12 Tournament Champions
NCAA Regional
2011 42-18
Big 12 co-Champions
Big 12 Tournament Champions
College World Series
2012 43-18
NCAA Regional
2013 34-29
NCAA Regional
2014 36-26
NCAA Regional
Since 2011 we gave Childress a raise and remodeled Olsen. We invested in indoor facilities. We put up the largest video board in the nation. But since that time, the program is going backwards with no hint that things are going to turn around soon.
I think most of us can live with a rebuilding year every once in a while. 2012 was bitterly disappointing but we did lose all our talent after that year so 2013 he gets a pass in my book, just like 09.
But I have to say, looking at that history, it's going to be really really hard to fire RC this year.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:58 am to Bob Ag
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We will continue to be an average baseball program until we learn to expect and demand more.
This is well said, and IMO is on the AD. Which is way I have an issue with him. Doing just enough shouldn't be good enough.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 11:56 am to betweenthebara
Please stop blaming Hyman for anything and everything. It's annoying and really devolves the conversation to whining.
I don't envy Hyman's job. Whatever "issue" you have with him is mostly because you are unable or unwilling to grasp what he's dealing with. I don't fault you for that, because fans rarely do, but it's not as easy as you seem to think it is to manage an AD.
We have a frickton of boosters and personalities that all want their way. As much as you think all those people agree all the time, they just don't. This is not a situation of 2-3 bosses, it's like 30 that don't even necessarily talk to each other. And it's often a different 30 depending on the sport. Dealing with all this is navigating a minefield daily and simplifying that to black and white is naive.
Here's a perfect example: Listen to John Bethancourt's take on our coaching staff at about 0:35 of this vid and tell me he sounds like a pot banger. Should Hyman just tell him to go pound sand? Obviously he's got to talk to and build a monetary consensus among these guys. Some are ready for a change. Others aren't. Some are on the fence and will accept either direction. But pretty much all of them want to be coddled and have their opinion be heard. Then he's got to weigh the situation based on what's best for the program (which includes a ton of factors like money, who is available and interested, and the media backlash of firing a guy with 8 straight post-season appearances).
Once that's been done, he's got to go to the press and sell that point of view, whether he agrees or not. Then the portion of the fanbase that disagrees spends the next year demonizing him for it and he has to just take it because there is zero doubt that saying something negative about one of our programs would be bad for that program. You relentlessly back the guy til the day you fire him. This is why pretty much every AD in history is hated by their fanbase.
I don't envy Hyman's job. Whatever "issue" you have with him is mostly because you are unable or unwilling to grasp what he's dealing with. I don't fault you for that, because fans rarely do, but it's not as easy as you seem to think it is to manage an AD.
We have a frickton of boosters and personalities that all want their way. As much as you think all those people agree all the time, they just don't. This is not a situation of 2-3 bosses, it's like 30 that don't even necessarily talk to each other. And it's often a different 30 depending on the sport. Dealing with all this is navigating a minefield daily and simplifying that to black and white is naive.
Here's a perfect example: Listen to John Bethancourt's take on our coaching staff at about 0:35 of this vid and tell me he sounds like a pot banger. Should Hyman just tell him to go pound sand? Obviously he's got to talk to and build a monetary consensus among these guys. Some are ready for a change. Others aren't. Some are on the fence and will accept either direction. But pretty much all of them want to be coddled and have their opinion be heard. Then he's got to weigh the situation based on what's best for the program (which includes a ton of factors like money, who is available and interested, and the media backlash of firing a guy with 8 straight post-season appearances).
Once that's been done, he's got to go to the press and sell that point of view, whether he agrees or not. Then the portion of the fanbase that disagrees spends the next year demonizing him for it and he has to just take it because there is zero doubt that saying something negative about one of our programs would be bad for that program. You relentlessly back the guy til the day you fire him. This is why pretty much every AD in history is hated by their fanbase.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:04 pm to tmc94
The reason Hyman gets so much shite is because of his "manage expectations" tone as it relates to basketball. When he basically says that expecting at least a winning conference record and no embarassing nonconference losses at home is unreasonable, it's hard not to see him as completely full of shite and just there to collect a paycheck.
conversely, if Bill Byrne had said less, he wouldn't have been as despised on the way out.
conversely, if Bill Byrne had said less, he wouldn't have been as despised on the way out.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:07 pm to tmc94
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The reason Hyman gets so much shite is because of his "manage expectations"
Also, tell me what hyman has done. Seriously. I have no idea what decisions he's made that have improved our three main sports.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:08 pm to betweenthebara
Supposedly, he nearly got fired for getting in Sumlin's way.
on a side note, I've worked for a boss like Hyman before: someone who makes a decision by not making a decision. It's worse than working for a micromanager.
on a side note, I've worked for a boss like Hyman before: someone who makes a decision by not making a decision. It's worse than working for a micromanager.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:12 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
that would have been amazing. Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:14 pm to tmc94
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Then he's got to weigh the situation based on what's best for the program (which includes a ton of factors like money, who is available and interested, and the media backlash of firing a guy with 8 straight post-season appearances).
I know what you are saying about Hyman and the position he is in, mainly for the reasons quoted. It's not an easy situation.
Although, I disagree about the relevance of the media backlash. There was a lot of backlash over Sherman, but it was ultimately the right move so its neither here nor there now.
It's odd though that up until the regional, I think you could easily feel pretty justified in firing RC. Now after beating Rice and taking a game from tu, it seems as if he deserves another chance.
Also, a barometer needs to be set if he is sticking around. Are we just going to be ok as long as he extends the regional streak (which is pretty meh considering 64 teams are let in and baseball is pretty regional)?
No more bullshite. Next year we need to be measurably better and get out of a damn regional.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:15 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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because of his "manage expectations" tone as it relates to basketball
it truly amazes me that you are an A&M graduate and you can't read between the lines of that comment.
That was about as negative as an AD ever gets with a program and is a clear expression of frustration at our boosters. frick, he could have said nothing (he rarely speaks to the press anyway) but instead he took the opportunity to take a shot at boosters that don't give a shite about basketball.
Let me translate for you: "Sorry fans, I know you're mad and this guy sucks, but my hands are tied because the money guys don't give a frick."
Then he followed that up by telling Kennedy to frick off when he asked for more assistant money. It's pretty clear Hyman wants him out and isn't going to spend money on a guy he doesn't want, so he's diverted all hoops money to upgrading Reed. But please, continue to bitch about it.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:16 pm to betweenthebara
Remember the Rice suspensions?
The rumor is that Sumlin almost didn't return unless Hyman let HIM discipline his team. Hence the huge raise.
The rumor is that Sumlin almost didn't return unless Hyman let HIM discipline his team. Hence the huge raise.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:17 pm to Bob Ag
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Although, I disagree about the relevance of the media backlash. There was a lot of backlash over Sherman, but it was ultimately the right move so its neither here nor there now.
sure but it worked because Sumlin was all-in on our job and then a wild success on day one.
There was also a lot of backlash firing MJ. And imo, it did serious harm to our coaching search that year.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:18 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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The rumor is that Sumlin almost didn't return unless Hyman let HIM discipline his team. Hence the huge raise.
this rumor is false
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:19 pm to tmc94
After PAYING for a tournament that resulted in a raise for him, he doesn't get the benefit of bureaucrat speak.
He could have declined postseason and it would have resulted in the same end.
In my job, I have little tolerance for bureaucratic nonsense.
He could have declined postseason and it would have resulted in the same end.
In my job, I have little tolerance for bureaucratic nonsense.
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Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:21 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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After PAYING for a tournament that resulted in a raise for him, he doesn't get the benefit of bureaucrat speak.
this is also false
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:05 pm to tmc94
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it truly amazes me that you are an A&M graduate and you can't read between the lines of that comment.
After rereading the interview, there's nothing to read between the lines on.
When asked about Billy Kennedy's strengths as a coach, he doesn't mention a single thing that's related to actual basketball fundamentals, in game adjustments, or anything related to basketball, nor does he mention recruiting. All he keeps repeating is "integrity".
When asked about the 20-point loss to North Texas, his answer pissed me off because he assumed that we're so stupid that we'd just take his word at face value.
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How do you explain Connecticut beating South Carolina in the Pizza Bowl
1. First of all, it was a matchup of two 7-5 teams in postseason play. Not even REMOTELY close to a regular season game between an 8-3 team playing at home against a 7-5 team that had allowed an average of 76 points per game. North Texas allowed 35 fewer points than its season average up to that point in the A&M game.
2. Second of all, Spurrier APOLOGIZED to the fans after the game. Kennedy just blamed the players.
3. He first said "it happens" then blamed depth. Lack of depth doesn't get you run out of your own gym.
As for the "managing expectations" quote:
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If it’s too good to be true, it’s usually too good to be true. My job is to manage expectations that define reality. Let’s be realistic about what we’re trying to do. It takes time to be able to do it, and do it the right way. … I’ve been through embarrassing losses, and sometimes you use those as teaching moments and improve.
Managing expectations that define reality is appropriate for the 2013 football season but NOT for the basketball season. What he's basically saying is that it's not realistic to expect to have a .500 or better record in conference play, not lose to a different shite team at home in nonconference play 3 straight years, and to actually have a well-coached team.
Expectations higher than the fricking CBI are not unrealistic in the third year of a coaching tenure.
If an AD is going to respond that way to legitimate criticism, what makes you think his head isn't completely up his arse in every other sport?
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 2:43 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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we're so stupid that we'd just take his word at face value.
This is why debating with you is a complete waste of time...because you do in fact take every statement at face value and refuse to consider the obvious that it is his job to go spin for his coaches. And when he does an obvious bad spin job, you think it's because he's stupid, or he thinks you're stupid, not because he's stuck.
Nor do you consider the fact that virtually every public statement by coach or AD at every school has an inside audience. When Sumlin says Trey Williams is "really good with the ball in his hands", it appears to be him praising Trey to the fanbase. It's not entirely. He's also talking to Trey. If he wants to play more he needs to improve other aspects of his game. These guys use the press every day.
But because it fits your world view, you would rather assume Hyman is stupid than empathize with the situation he's in or consider who he may be talking to. Anyway, guy is returning. You go out and appear to support the frick out of him til he's not. It's really that simple.
The same thing will be true when it comes to Childress and we all look forward to your melt if that happens
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