re: Ongoing Baylor controversy/discussion thread

what superior alternative do you recommend?

Fire all of those responsible and those in power who allowed this to take place and start to repair the image of your school. Incidents like this don't snowball without a total lack of oversight. This is the second time in 10-12 years something like this has happened at Baylor. It's time to reassess where athletics fit and if the priorities with those who are in power are in order. There is clearly a cultural problem there. Firing low level administrators who perpetrated it and going on the attack against the media is not the answer at this point. It also makes your administration look totally incompetent


ETA that's assuming what appears to have taken place took place

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how exactly is someone supposed to protect themselves against this?

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Whoa... whoa... what?

He could have protected himself by looking at what Briles was doing and telling him to stop. Briles was combing the country for any guy who was highly rated coming out of high school but was being kicked off of his college team for being a criminal and getting him to come to Baylor. Anyone could have seen this coming. I don't think Briles is surprised by the outcome one iota, he was ready to do whatever necessary to cover it up once one of his monsters inevitably went rogue. Starr should have told Briles, his employee, that Baylor wasn't going to win games by becoming the repository for the talented but criminal cast-offs of all other college programs and was going to win the right way. Set up rules for transfers. Other colleges have them.

He could have protected himself by kicking rapists out of school instead of allowing them to stay and play football. He had to have been aware of Ukwuachu's grand jury indictment on two counts of raping another Baylor student in June of 2014.He could have protected himself by seeing if he had violated the Student Conduct Code and if he should even be a student at Baylor instead of letting him hang around for another year. MUCH LESS allowing the woman he raped to have her scholarship reduced after she made the accusation.

He could have protected himself by having his staff follow Title IX's sautes on this instead of brazenly ignore them.

He could have looked into Briles' past at Stephenville. Everyone in Texas who follows football knows those rumors.

You seem totally blind as what kind of person Ken Starr is. He's a despicable human being. He was a defense attorney for Jeffrey Epstein, the billionaire who was convicted of raping high school girls and keeping them locked away on a private island. In that trial. He defended him for that. Got him a way lighter sentence than he deserved. It seems like Starr has a thing for helping rapists wherever he can.

Those are excellent questions that haven't been answered to my knowledge, I would like those answers discovered too. As you said, the problem here is the only reporters who are covering it are garbage. It isn't the fault of Baylor defenders that everyone attacking Baylor right now is terrible at journalism. If and when a legitimate and unbiased journalist unearths substantial news and Baylor fans tear it down simply because they do not want their school and sports program to suffer you will have an excellent point. But I don't believe that's a relevant refutation of the current state, as it has not yet happened.

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You seem totally blind as what kind of person Ken Starr is. He's a despicable human being. He was a defense attorney for Jeffrey Epstein, the billionaire who was convicted of raping high school girls and keeping them locked away on a private island. In that trial. He defended him for that. Got him a way lighter sentence than he deserved. It seems like Starr has a thing for helping rapists wherever he can.

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You could lay similar accusations at the feet of many defense attorneys as most of their clients are guilty.

Starr is an incompetent dipshit who may or may not be part of a rape coverup, but judging him based on his defense of awful people is unjustified.

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You could lay similar accusations at the feet of many defense attorneys as most of their clients are guilty. Starr is an incompetent dipshit who may or may not be part of a rape coverup, but judging him based on his defense of awful people is unjustified.

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Really? You don't see the MOUNTAINOUS hypocrisy of America's Chief Moralist, Kenn Starr of the Starr report, turning around and being the "ace" (per Alan Dershowitz) attorney in getting Epstein such a lenient plea-bargain deal for way, way, way worse stuff than he grilled Clinton for?

Starr's mistake (and legacy) is that he approached the situation as a lawyer instead of as a leader.

Rodo

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Those are excellent questions that haven't been answered to my knowledge, I would like those answers discovered too. As you said, the problem here is the only reporters who are covering it are garbage. It isn't the fault of Baylor defenders that everyone attacking Baylor right now is terrible at journalism.

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Waiting around for someone else to do what's right is entirely the problem. They haven't done it yet. There is zero reason to expect it will magically happen now on its own.

If anyone was even attempting to get to the bottom of this, no one would give a frick what Chip has to say. The dodo bird routine is why he has a platform to begin with.

Going a year with zero external communication should be unacceptable. It's time for Baylor alumni to demand real answers. Until they do, Chip is the only voice on the matter. And that's entirely your fricking fault.

I'm going to leave it there because I have nothing else to say on the matter.

If you don't like our jurisprudence system, that's okay. Everyone has opinions, but it is our system and Starr played his part.

That critique has no relevance whatsoever to Baylor or this scandal.

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If you don't like our jurisprudence system, that's okay.

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This is not a commentary on our system of jurisprudence because Kenneth Starr is not a public defender. That is the crucial distinction you are missing. He chose that case, despite choosing, earlier in his life, to craft his public image as Mr. Self-righteous Prude and crusade against Clinton for much less than Epstein admitted to being guilty of.

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That critique has no relevance whatsoever to Baylor or this scandal.

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It's relevant to an examination of the character of the man who is running The Rape Factory. It shows you how Baylor ended up like this: it was being run by a self-important two-faced hypocrite.