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Ongoing Baylor controversy/discussion thread
Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:05 pm
The other thread started as something totally different so it was kind of making me uncomfortable. Let's center our discussion on the events at Baylor in here. I will try to add in a timeline later tonight/at a later date
Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:36 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Headed towards scapegoating Starr which, while in some ways enjoyable, largely evades the primary culprits. Complicity must include Briles, AD, Title IX office, BOR (collectively and as a group), Campus PD and Waco PD. We'll see how effective they are at keeping the wagons circled.
BTW, State of Texas AG is Ken Paxton, BU grad. Hence, the reason you see no effort of looking into PD involvement.
Rodo
BTW, State of Texas AG is Ken Paxton, BU grad. Hence, the reason you see no effort of looking into PD involvement.
Rodo
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:59 pm to Rodo
The whole place is corrupt. The cover up does not surprise me as that is how Baylor is. It is also sadly how the Waco PD and criminal justice apparatus is in Waco and McLennan county. The whole area is corrupt.
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 5:18 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
We will not fire our Moses. not the actual quote)
I can't believe that was even said. That is some kind of idiotic.
I can't believe that was even said. That is some kind of idiotic.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 7:00 pm to Rodo
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BTW, State of Texas AG is Ken Paxton, BU grad. Hence, the reason you see no effort of looking into PD involvement.
He has enough problems of his own to do his job.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:01 pm to Rodo
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Headed towards scapegoating Starr...
That's a pessimistic view (that may end up being correct). The flipside of that is they want the new president to show some balls and clean house. We'll see.
FWIW I have a couple of BU/FB friends who are fed up and calling for mass firings. So they aren't what some here would like to believe.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 8:03 pm to finestfirst79
Posted on 5/25/16 at 11:36 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
The people responsible and who need to be fired are in the title 9 department and administration.
Starr was intentionally kept out of the loop because they knew he would not go along. But firing nameless administrators isn't going to satiate the call for blood from austin and ft worth. Every single person calling for Starr to be fired and/or saying he is scum is ignorant. I would hope an Aggie board would be populated with people who know how to ignore Chip Brown for the agenda driven scumbag he is.
Starr was intentionally kept out of the loop because they knew he would not go along. But firing nameless administrators isn't going to satiate the call for blood from austin and ft worth. Every single person calling for Starr to be fired and/or saying he is scum is ignorant. I would hope an Aggie board would be populated with people who know how to ignore Chip Brown for the agenda driven scumbag he is.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 11:40 am to finestfirst79
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That's a pessimistic view
Seems like pessimistic is the correct vantage point for this particular situation given their actions up until this point.
The obviously correct course of action is some sort of punishment to the football team - via firing the coach or some sort of self sanctions. The reason why that is the correct action because it's obvious the entire community in Waco pulled something close to a Penn St. and put football above all else on the priority list, and that only is fixed by making the program have real consequences. But we rivals want that not for justice but because we don't want Baylor to be good anymore.
This post was edited on 5/25/16 at 11:42 am
Posted on 5/25/16 at 11:57 am to BearBait09
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Starr was intentionally kept out of the loop because they knew he would not go along.
The one guy in all this that I absolutely know isn't blameless is Starr. He's at the top and many people below him were complicit.
Your assumption doesn't make him evil, it makes him incompetent. He's gotta go either way
Posted on 5/25/16 at 12:18 pm to BearBait09
quote:so he was just incompetent?
Starr was intentionally kept out of the loop because they knew he would not go along
Posted on 5/25/16 at 12:40 pm to BearBait09
To be fair I believe most of us are calling for a complete house cleaning. And it has nothing to do with Chimp. But rather the evidence showing the active participation by staff and admin in covering for and recruiting known "bad apples" so that the team can be better on the field.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 12:43 pm to WestCoastAg
this happens all the time in business and government, it's really easy to just say he should have known and he didn't so he is incompetent. how exactly is someone supposed to protect themselves against this? to seek out information that one not only doesn't know, but doesn't know exists?
But fine, if that's the burden of responsibility you place on leadership then I can't argue with your deduction. However, I disagree with your premise, so I disagree with your conclusion.
Starr is the guy who refused to give Josh Gordon another chance, he got kicked out for nothing but weed. How can someone believe Starr would kick out a kid for weed and then choose to cover up and protect sexual predators? It's absurd.
But fine, if that's the burden of responsibility you place on leadership then I can't argue with your deduction. However, I disagree with your premise, so I disagree with your conclusion.
Starr is the guy who refused to give Josh Gordon another chance, he got kicked out for nothing but weed. How can someone believe Starr would kick out a kid for weed and then choose to cover up and protect sexual predators? It's absurd.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 12:54 pm to BearBait09
If they fire low level people as part of some supposed cover up, that will only turn up the media heat more. And Starr will obviously go before Briles if it comes to that
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 12:59 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
That's my point. the media heat is out for blood of important people, regardless of whether or not they should be. If Baylor cleans out a bunch of mid level administrators but not Starr and Briles, and the media does keep going, BU's response, assuming their original action was in good faith, should be to go on the PR attack.
the people going after Baylor right now are more interested in damaging Baylor than they are in seeing justice.
the people going after Baylor right now are more interested in damaging Baylor than they are in seeing justice.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 1:13 pm to BearBait09
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this happens all the time in business and government, it's really easy to just say he should have known and he didn't so he is incompetent. how exactly is someone supposed to protect themselves against this? to seek out information that one not only doesn't know, but doesn't know exists?
Honestly the day Elliot was convicted he should have been all over this. How did that POS have 5 different girls report him as a rapist before he was prosecuted or even punished in any way? What happened in the Title IX office?
I'd fire him for not digging at that time and allowing this to escalate tbh. Any incompetence or coverup within that dept after that is entirely on him for burying his head in the sand.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 1:19 pm to tmc94
This situation has involved numerous victims over a long period of time. Claiming "you didn't know" wont work.
Rodo
Rodo
Posted on 5/25/16 at 1:28 pm to BearBait09
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should be to go on the PR attack.
Against who?
Posted on 5/25/16 at 1:38 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
the overzealous media who have failed to report in an unbiased manner. This is presuming no damning evidence comes out that justifies the pursuit of Starr.
LINK btw, not something I would expect a guilty man to request. The report completely exonerates him. There are people on Baylor's regent board who dislike Starr because he refuses to be their puppet, typical executive board power struggle crap, If they are willing to damage his reputation by falsely blaming him for this stuff Then I have no respect for those board members.
LINK btw, not something I would expect a guilty man to request. The report completely exonerates him. There are people on Baylor's regent board who dislike Starr because he refuses to be their puppet, typical executive board power struggle crap, If they are willing to damage his reputation by falsely blaming him for this stuff Then I have no respect for those board members.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 1:41 pm to BearBait09
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the overzealous media who have failed to report in an unbiased manner
They aren't going to stop until yall stop beating Texas.
(joking, joking...........kinda)
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