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Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:23 am to Mirthomatic
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:23 am to Mirthomatic
He's a very experienced veteran OC. We will at least improve.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:27 am to Old Sarge
Your optimism is appreciated.
This post was edited on 1/7/16 at 8:30 am
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:32 am to cardboardboxer
It would be next to impossible to not improve from last year
That's not really optimism
That's not really optimism
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:32 am to Old Sarge
I agree at least, and he has experience coaching good qbs. I'm not excited at all by this but he does field top 30 offenses pretty consistently. Hopefully defense continues to improve next year and we can somehow get 9-10 wins
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:37 am to leoj
I would be much more upset if we would have had to beg and plead with and then overpay someone from Tulsa that has never called plays to be our OC
That would be disgraceful
That would be disgraceful
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:39 am to Old Sarge
Lol, so true.
So I wonder who the ol and rb coaches will be?
Also just in case anyone missed it, liucci was right the whole time lol
So I wonder who the ol and rb coaches will be?
Also just in case anyone missed it, liucci was right the whole time lol
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:44 am to leoj
He was at least smart enough to not pick a winner until after it was certain.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:50 am to Old Sarge
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bitch then melt, then bitch and melt all over again
#tCycle
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:58 am to Old Sarge
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He's a very experienced veteran OC. We will at least improve.
Agree with this.
As I see it the main problem going forward is our O-Line isn't SEC worthy. How much was Spavital hindered by our line? This past season we needed a highly mobile QB that can throw the ball accurately to compensate for our run game. Allen was above average scrambling and Kyler was a mess throwing the ball.
Until we address the offensive LOS talent most coordinators are going to have a difficult time. We have to step it up talent wise.
Said it before... Baylor, TCU, UH, have much better offensive lines than we do.... not really close. Can make a good case that Tech's line is better overall. In my estimation we have... AT BEST... the 5th ranked offensive line in the State of Texas. There is a huge gap between the first tier and us. This shouldn't be happening. I don't care who the OC is, we have a better tradition than this on the LOS.
This post was edited on 1/7/16 at 9:04 am
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:02 am to Old Sarge
Here is the full silver lining:
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- Drastically improved UCLA's overall offensive statistics in his two years of being there
- Has a clear offensive identity, something we haven't had for a good while....
- .... which included up-tempo on par with TCU (average snap with 19 seconds remaining on play clock) and an emphasis on establishing the run
- Specializes in developing QBs
- Brings experience to offensive coaching staff
- Less likely to leave for an HC position next year, which presumably means more continuity for the players and the program
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:09 am to cardboardboxer
[quote]Here is the full silver lining:
Small bonus - He ought to be able to give Chavis better insight as to how to defend UCLA to start the year. We need to start the year off right.
Small bonus - He ought to be able to give Chavis better insight as to how to defend UCLA to start the year. We need to start the year off right.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:09 am to cardboardboxer
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:13 am to Tridentds
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Said it before... Baylor, TCU, UH, have much better offensive lines than we do.... not really close. Can make a good case that Tech's line is better overall. In my estimation we have... AT BEST... the 5th ranked offensive line in the State of Texas. There is a huge gap between the first tier and us. This shouldn't be happening. I don't care who the OC is, we have a better tradition than this on the LOS.
Their statistics are against HORRIBLE DEFENSES
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:16 am to Tridentds
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Agree with this. As I see it the main problem going forward is our O-Line isn't SEC worthy. How much was Spavital hindered by our line? This past season we needed a highly mobile QB that can throw the ball accurately to compensate for our run game. Allen was above average scrambling and Kyler was a mess throwing the ball.
Spav was inexperienced, hopefully an experienced veteran OC can coach around deficiencies in talent to some extent
Before you say it's not possible....that's exactly what Chavis did last year
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:19 am to Old Sarge
Louisville and FSU were both top 20 in total defense. UH put up 34 points and 460 yards on Louisville and 38 points and 450 yards on FSU
If you think Mazzone is on the same level as Chief as far as track record I'm not sure what to tell you
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Before you say it's not possible....that's exactly what Chavis did last year
If you think Mazzone is on the same level as Chief as far as track record I'm not sure what to tell you
This post was edited on 1/7/16 at 9:21 am
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:27 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
I'm not, I'm just saying that an experienced veteran will/should be able to scheme around talent that they have better than a rookie like Spav
Our offense will be improved, The only question is by how much.
Our offense will be improved, The only question is by how much.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:28 am to Tridentds
Lots of folks are really overreacting, this is not a bad hire at all. Its not a splash hire but its a solid hire and it makes a lot of sense.
Mazzone brings several things we were lacking last year.
First off he is a highly experienced OC who knows what he is doing. I don't see us having an issue with players yelling at him on the sideline. Spav's youth cut both ways, it allowed him to relate with players but it also made him more of a buddy than a coach and that was a huge problem in the end.
His philosophy is run a basic offense with a handful of plays and then react to the defense and exploit the weakness. That's the EXACT same offense we ran with KK, though the plays may be slightly different. Mazzone is all about executing to perfection and not trying to come up with complex X's and O's to beat people. That's been proven to work at the college level and it makes sense why he wasn't successful at the NFL level. The problem is not the size of the playbook it is the execution of the plays and the timing of when they are called with the right personnel.
He likes balance. UCLA has run and passed very evenly and successfully the last few years. They had a 1300 and 1500 yard rusher the last 2 years to go with 2 different QB's that were top tier in Hundley and Rosen. That's going to be very helpful in attracting QB, WR, and RB talent.
He's not a great recruiter but he is a respected recruiter. The opinions of Mazzone among players seem to be far better than folks on message boards. I don't think it is a coincidence at all 3 players happened to say they were staying yesterday just hours before the deal was finalized. We also are back in the mix for a solid and much needed QB. Mazzone is likely to be more like Chief, the well respected veteran that helps to close the deal. Chief is also not known as a great recruiter but kids want to play for him. He also has strong connections in Texas, Arizona, and California, kids in the Pac know him well.
Don't get me wrong, this hire could certainly be a bust but it is far from Spav 2.0. If anything Meacham is the one who resembled Spav because he was also inexperienced as an OC and seemed to be the up and comer but hadn't been doing it long enough to know if it was him, the coaches around him, or the talent he had to work with. Having good offensive numbers in the BDF and CUSA for a couple of years isn't exactly revolutionary. I would have been fine with him being the hire but I don't get how people think he was such a no brainer over Mazzone. He's never even been a sole OC before.
Mazzone brings several things we were lacking last year.
First off he is a highly experienced OC who knows what he is doing. I don't see us having an issue with players yelling at him on the sideline. Spav's youth cut both ways, it allowed him to relate with players but it also made him more of a buddy than a coach and that was a huge problem in the end.
His philosophy is run a basic offense with a handful of plays and then react to the defense and exploit the weakness. That's the EXACT same offense we ran with KK, though the plays may be slightly different. Mazzone is all about executing to perfection and not trying to come up with complex X's and O's to beat people. That's been proven to work at the college level and it makes sense why he wasn't successful at the NFL level. The problem is not the size of the playbook it is the execution of the plays and the timing of when they are called with the right personnel.
He likes balance. UCLA has run and passed very evenly and successfully the last few years. They had a 1300 and 1500 yard rusher the last 2 years to go with 2 different QB's that were top tier in Hundley and Rosen. That's going to be very helpful in attracting QB, WR, and RB talent.
He's not a great recruiter but he is a respected recruiter. The opinions of Mazzone among players seem to be far better than folks on message boards. I don't think it is a coincidence at all 3 players happened to say they were staying yesterday just hours before the deal was finalized. We also are back in the mix for a solid and much needed QB. Mazzone is likely to be more like Chief, the well respected veteran that helps to close the deal. Chief is also not known as a great recruiter but kids want to play for him. He also has strong connections in Texas, Arizona, and California, kids in the Pac know him well.
Don't get me wrong, this hire could certainly be a bust but it is far from Spav 2.0. If anything Meacham is the one who resembled Spav because he was also inexperienced as an OC and seemed to be the up and comer but hadn't been doing it long enough to know if it was him, the coaches around him, or the talent he had to work with. Having good offensive numbers in the BDF and CUSA for a couple of years isn't exactly revolutionary. I would have been fine with him being the hire but I don't get how people think he was such a no brainer over Mazzone. He's never even been a sole OC before.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:38 am to Old Sarge
I would feel much better about Mazzone if he wasn't bringing his son along as an assistent Nepotism hires rarely work out.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:41 am to Old Sarge
Their statistics are against HORRIBLE DEFENSES
Didn't bother looking at Stats. Just what I saw on the field.
I just watched UH vs FSU again this morning. They went up against a good FSU defense and handled them pretty well.
Baylor has had a good offensive line for awhile... Saw what Baylor did against Texas and UNC when everyone knew they were going to run the ball. Ran for 1000 yards
TCU offensive line is probably the weakest of the top tier but I would take them over ours in a heartbeat.
Not 100% sure about Tech but we aren't CLEARLY better than they are. They certainly moved the ball against the Hogs which was a common opponent.
We got stuffed on runs from game 1 through the end of the season. We threw way too much on 3rd and 1 because we couldn't pick up a yard on the ground.
This is my opinion after watching us consistently get stuffed and watching teams get pressure rushing only 4.
To give our running game some perspective you probably know that our rushing TDs are trending down for the last 3 years.
2013 2.5 TDs per game rushing
2014 1.5 TDs per game rushing
2015 0.9 TDs per game rushing
Can look at the downward trend in YPC over the last 3 years but none of this really matters. You see it on the field and so does everyone else. How confident are you on 3rd and 2 when we run the ball? How about 3rd and 1?
You said you are more concerned about the AD than the OC. I am more concerned about the Oline at this point.
Didn't bother looking at Stats. Just what I saw on the field.
I just watched UH vs FSU again this morning. They went up against a good FSU defense and handled them pretty well.
Baylor has had a good offensive line for awhile... Saw what Baylor did against Texas and UNC when everyone knew they were going to run the ball. Ran for 1000 yards
TCU offensive line is probably the weakest of the top tier but I would take them over ours in a heartbeat.
Not 100% sure about Tech but we aren't CLEARLY better than they are. They certainly moved the ball against the Hogs which was a common opponent.
We got stuffed on runs from game 1 through the end of the season. We threw way too much on 3rd and 1 because we couldn't pick up a yard on the ground.
This is my opinion after watching us consistently get stuffed and watching teams get pressure rushing only 4.
To give our running game some perspective you probably know that our rushing TDs are trending down for the last 3 years.
2013 2.5 TDs per game rushing
2014 1.5 TDs per game rushing
2015 0.9 TDs per game rushing
Can look at the downward trend in YPC over the last 3 years but none of this really matters. You see it on the field and so does everyone else. How confident are you on 3rd and 2 when we run the ball? How about 3rd and 1?
You said you are more concerned about the AD than the OC. I am more concerned about the Oline at this point.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:43 am to Tridentds
Because without Johnny and KK we became horribly predictable
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