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re: Would you fire Coach Jim McElwain?
Posted on 10/4/16 at 6:42 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 10/4/16 at 6:42 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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There's this bizarre thing going on in the Florida Fanbase, that after the Vanderbilt game he should be fired. I think it's absolutely bat shite insane, but, I admit I could be wrong. What do people outside the fanbase think? Do you fire the coach for obvious shortcomings caused by a lack of recruiting from the predecesor (even though he won the East last year with it)? We had three true freshmen on the line in rotation, one upper classmen running back, literally one Quarterback who was a redshirt freshmen (Treon Harris was not a quarterback) and no kicker. Please let me know if you would fire him after the Tennessee or Vanderbilt game. Thank you for your time.
and to think... McElwain won more SEC games last year than Coach Orgeron won at 3 years with Ole Miss.
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Posted on 10/4/16 at 6:57 pm to thelawnwranglers
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crazy talk honestly
I say you have to at least give coaches 3 years to prove themselves. Except if the first 2 years are incredibly bad. The 2 is acceptable.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 7:30 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
If we could throw money at a better coach in a second. This team is doing just as bad with a team consisting of his offensive staff and his recriits. The D gets blown out by teams with a pulse and Special teams is a mess. He needs to clean house everywhere on staff excrpt DB, WR, and RB.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 7:38 pm to tiggerthetooth
Texas is fitting a mistake before it turns into anymore of a disaster. Jeremy Foley caused Florida's mess and I hope stricklin fixes it soon. Read this article.
Gatorcountry.
We're averaging .77 yards per play in the 3rd qtr the last 6 qtrs. Vandy was giving up 450+ to GT, WKU, MTSU and over 300 to WM. We got 236. We've signed 1 DT in 2 classes and have 2 projects and 1 with grades committed now. We have below average coaches and recruiters all over the staff.
Gatorcountry.
We're averaging .77 yards per play in the 3rd qtr the last 6 qtrs. Vandy was giving up 450+ to GT, WKU, MTSU and over 300 to WM. We got 236. We've signed 1 DT in 2 classes and have 2 projects and 1 with grades committed now. We have below average coaches and recruiters all over the staff.
This post was edited on 10/4/16 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 10/4/16 at 7:41 pm to Grandioso
Agree completely. Mac is an offensive coach who with his own players can't score or get yards.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 9:13 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
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I am in the camp that he should have never been hired at UF in the first place. McElwain had 3 years as a coach and Foley decides to hire him at UF? Foley made the same mistake with Zook and Muschamp. Hiring guys that did not have the required years of experience. Is McElwain proven as a Head Coach? Nope. UF should not be on the job training, especially for football.
Let me ask an honest question. If Butterteeth was sitting in your living room with another SEC head coach trying to recruit you. Who would you decide to follow? I can only think of 1 or 2 coaches in the SEC I would put behind McElwain. He's going to get beat out in 90% of the cases. Which is why Urban Meyer, Jimbo, Richt, Saban, Malzahn, Harbaugh, etc., are beating him in his own backyard. Kids that grew up Gators are going elsewhere. And spare me the excuse that he's only had 2 years. Richt, Harbaugh and even Muschamp didn't take long to get recruits excited. McElwain is a Gomer Pyle type that is not very motivating in my opinion.
I agree 100% here.
Muschamp nor McElwain should've ever been hired by UF.
Muschamp had never been a HC in his life and was a debacle of a hire.
McElwain is underwhelming and doesn't play a style of offense that fits at Florida.
Florida is known for speed. WRs galore in the state of Florida.
Why the heck are you running a traditional Bama like offense for a recruiting base that doesn't fit nor a fanbase that wants it. Even Bama is getting away from that.
Most UF fans want an offense similar to what the Fun N Gun was....maybe today's Baylor, Clemson or even UNC would be close to that. Some may try to deny it but most UF fans want that. It's in the UF DNA.
You can't fire this guy NOW but its inevitable. He's not taking UF where it should be. He's not a star coach nor is he a great recruiter.
Jeremy Foley is to blame though.
This post was edited on 10/4/16 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 10/4/16 at 9:26 pm to Go Go Gata
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Florida is known for speed. WRs galore in the state of Florida. Why the heck are you running a traditional Bama like offense for a recruiting base that doesn't fit nor a fanbase that wants it. Even Bama is getting away from that. Most UF fans want an offense similar to what the Fun N Gun was....maybe today's Baylor, Clemson or even UNC would be close to that. Some may try to deny it but most UF fans want that. It's in the UF DNA.
Exactly... We originated the spread offense with the fun n gun, now we have coaches running 3 downs and a cloud of dust. It wouldn't be an issue if it was working but our offenses have been HORRIBLE since Tebow left. That's a decade ago. WTH?
Posted on 10/4/16 at 9:46 pm to Go Go Gata
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You can't for this guy NOW but its inevitable. He's not taking UF where it should be. He's not a star coach nor is he a great recruiter.
He's had like, one year and a half with a slot receiver playing quarterback for half of the first year -- with no kicker and 3 freshmen offensive lineman (two starting). He won 10 games in two seasons back to back at two different universities.
He's literally had nothing to work with on offense, and most of ''his'' players are freshmen or transfers. I can't, for the life of me, think of how you guys can know so much about a guy who has had so little time regarding football HC careers.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:05 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
No way, he's a great offensive mind. Don't know what the deal is with Montana creating great offensive minds like MCElwain and Petrino but it does . Having lived in Montana for almost 8 years and seeing Montana Grizzlies, Carrol College where Petrino's DAd Coached, some great offenses but again it would be crazy to think of getting rid of McElwain, I definitely think he is a good coach. His offense may not be lighting it up right now but I believe when his players and his type of players are playing then the offense will be better. Certainly no Spurrier and Fun and Gun right now but with time I believe he will be very successful. Heck you all won the East last year. Anyway, certainly just my humble opinion. 
This post was edited on 10/4/16 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:08 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Would you fire Coach Jim McElwain?
It's too early for that, but I always thought McElwain was an uninspiring hire. I can't help but think Florida could do better.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:22 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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He's had like, one year and a half with a slot receiver playing quarterback for half of the first year -- with no kicker and 3 freshmen offensive lineman (two starting). He won 10 games in two seasons back to back at two different universities.
He's literally had nothing to work with on offense, and most of ''his'' players are freshmen or transfers. I can't, for the life of me, think of how you guys can know so much about a guy who has had so little time regarding football HC careers.
Problem is he's not a great enough recruiter to flip the roster and bring in talent on par with FSU, Bama, LSU, UGA etc. Jimbo Fisher & Kirby Smart are kicking is butt. Mark Richt will be soon as well. Clemson and Bama are coming down to FL and punking him in Gator friendly recruiting areas as well.
I'm telling you the pro-set isn't going to work well at UF. Even Muschamp had to accept that fact and go to a spread. You're going to see way more Lamar Jackson, Fracois, Bridgewater, Driskel, Bortles type QBs in FL than the Greg McElroys as well.
If it eventually works it's going to take years of mediocrity before it ever does. After 4 years of Muschamp UF can't afford that.
I just don't see it happening for this guy. Not saying he's a bad coach he's just not great and not a great fit.
Similar to Charlie Strong and Texas....its not a good fit.
However, I would love to be wrong.
This post was edited on 10/4/16 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 10/4/16 at 11:21 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Hell if Florida fires him tomorrow lsu should call him in for an interview within the next 30 mins
Posted on 10/4/16 at 11:38 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I don't think you fire him now, but I understand the concern-- to people outside the program the big worry is next year-- Florida replaces at least 7 and possibly 9 defensive starters and in all likelihood almost all of the replacements will be worse recruits (not necessarily players but based purely on recruiting ranking) other than the DEs- Florida might very well start true frosh at multiple LB spots. Given that its hard not to see Mac winning less games in each of his first 3 seasons than he did in the year before it. 10-8-6, if that's the case then there's almost no chance he gets year 4. Which leads to this-- Mac probably needs to lose at most 2 of Florida's remaining regular season games-- or win 9 games in 2017 with an almost entirely new defense (basically matching 2007 Florida which had the Heisman winner on offense alongside 9 or 10 other starters who would play offense in the NFL).
Oh and that he's basically turned Florida (along with Richt's take over in Miami) into the 4th choice among 4 and 5 star in state recruits after FSU, Miami (worse recently so being beat by Richt here is insance) and Ohio State.
Oh and that he's basically turned Florida (along with Richt's take over in Miami) into the 4th choice among 4 and 5 star in state recruits after FSU, Miami (worse recently so being beat by Richt here is insance) and Ohio State.
This post was edited on 10/4/16 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 10/4/16 at 11:40 pm to montanagator
I'm hoping Mac stays around for another few years. 
Posted on 10/4/16 at 11:44 pm to Go Go Gata
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I just don't see it happening for this guy. Not saying he's a bad coach he's just not great and not a great fit.
Similar to Charlie Strong and Texas....its not a good fit.
However, I would love to be wrong.
The funny thing is that Mac would be a good USCe level coach-- he'd never win a ton but he'd get some upsets build a team full of 3 stars (he's already turning Florida into one) and have a good year whenever they were really experienced.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 11:46 pm to montanagator
He was never ready for a job like UF. I still have no idea how he got the job especially when UF is arguably a top 5/10 job and they have the money to pick up a high level, proven coach.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 11:49 pm to Mikethegreat
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Hell if Florida fires him tomorrow lsu should call him in for an interview within the next 30 mins
He would be a better fit at LSU.
He doesn't have to be as great of a recruiter in LA as LSU owns the state and his offense fits very well with LSU already does.
This post was edited on 10/4/16 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 10/5/16 at 1:50 am to montanagator
The pumpers will blame the defense for the losses. Watch this LSU game for a preview of what 2017 will look like save for Davis and Tabor.Mac needs to upgrade his staff. He's making the same mistakes as muschamp. He's a worse recruiter though. He's coaching on borrowed time. I hope we get a HR to clean up this mess. The AD needs to want to be an elite program though. I don't think UF has had that mentality since the Meyer hire. Cheap, keep the image of the program clean, hope we win is the current image IMO.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 3:10 am to Go Go Gata
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Jeremy Foley is to blame though.
Surely not. He's the best in the buisness!!!! Meanwhile UF football has struggled because of his ineptitude the last 7 years.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 5:55 am to Go Go Gata
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He would be a better fit at LSU.
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His offense fits very well with what LSU already does.
I searched for the sarcasm here and only found a mean-spirited truth.
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