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Posted on 6/26/12 at 10:43 pm to LSUNV
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This will always keep LSU above Arkansas
it really hasnt historically. the past decade, for sure. but to make such a blanket statement is disregarding decades of sample size.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 10:44 pm to cigsmcgee
I don't think Danny Ford had any previous connection with Arkansas.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 10:46 pm to cigsmcgee
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but to make such a blanket statement is disregarding decades of sample size.
Have not done much research, but Steve Spurrier when he coached at Florida said that if LSU ever learns how to keep the talent in state, we would compete for top 10 every year. Have never heard of a coach saying that about Arkansas
Posted on 6/26/12 at 10:46 pm to LSU Tiger 216
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Looks like the all time head to head record between us is 35-20-2 LSU, and let's not forget about that great conference you were playing in before the SEC all of those years. Yeah I'd have to say Arky is too legit to quit
But the fact is we still had more wins, more bowl games and more top 25 finishes in that time. That's a span of 40 years. You were actually a great program prior to WWII and were well below a top 25 program for well over 40 years. So yeah...Saban made all the difference in the world. Without him or coach of his caliber, LSU would still be the way it was for the 40 years prior.
Also, LSU and Arkansas played a crap load of their series prior to 1960. That's when LSU was actually a good program. Not to mention you guys had home field advantage in Shreveport for over 2 decades.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 10:46 pm to cigsmcgee
blah blah blah
When will it stop when you see Alabama and LSU curb stomp us again in Fayetteville? Is that gonna do it?
no you all will say it was luck and we need to fire JL. Same old song different dance.
When will it stop when you see Alabama and LSU curb stomp us again in Fayetteville? Is that gonna do it?
no you all will say it was luck and we need to fire JL. Same old song different dance.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 10:48 pm to ShreveportHog94
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and were well below a top 25 program for well over 40 years
Whattttttt? What 40 year period are you talking about dude? The 90's is the only decade LSU was not a top 15 program.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 10:49 pm to cigsmcgee
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it really hasnt historically.
LSU is a better historical program than Arkansas in every single metric
Posted on 6/26/12 at 10:51 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Whattttttt? What 40 year period are you talking about dude? The 90's is the only decade LSU was not a top 15 program.
1960-2000 is what I'm talking about. And I actually meant to put 15 and not 25 so I'm sorry for that. But if you were a top 15 those 30 years then Arkansas was somewhere in front. How you ask? Because we had more wins, more bowl showings and more AP top 25 finishes.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 10:53 pm to ShreveportHog94
I don't really care that you ignore those 4 decades of medocrity. You have been on fire the past 11 years and that's enough reason to forget where you were. Which was slightly but not marginally better program than Arkansas
Posted on 6/26/12 at 10:54 pm to ShreveportHog94
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1960-2000 is what I'm talking about. And I actually meant to put 15 and not 25 so I'm sorry for that. But if you were a top 15 those 30 years then Arkansas was somewhere in front. How you ask? Because we had more wins, more bowl showings and more AP top 25 finishes.
lol ok, i bet if you shifted the years a few here or there I could make it look like something else.
I really don't feel like getting into yet another one of these debates, but as I said LSU was at least a top 15 program every decade from the 30's-the 80's and in a lot of those we were top 10.
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 6/26/12 at 10:56 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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LSU is a better historical program than Arkansas in every single metric
pre-Saban, theres not much difference.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 10:58 pm to packdaddy75
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I don't think Danny Ford had any previous connection with Arkansas.
I thought there was a Clemson, Ken Hatfield thing going on with Danny Ford. not really sure.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 10:59 pm to ShreveportHog94
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I don't really care that you ignore those 4 decades of medocrity
You really just don't know what your'e talking about, do you?
For example, you're including the 60's as a decade of "mediocrity" even though we were really good that decade and collegefootballdatawarehouse.com lists us as a top 10 program that decade. In the 70's we weren't quite as good but still very strong particularly the early 70's.
Now the 80's we were either SEC Champions or we were shitty. We were very up and down then, and obviously the 90's we sucked.
I know you hate LSU and you're going to do everything you can to tear us down and try to manipulate the data to make Arkansas "seem" like just as good a program and that's fine. I get it. We've still accomplished more in the last 10 years than Arkansas has in it's entire history so suck my balls.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 10:59 pm to cigsmcgee
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pre-Saban, theres not much difference.
So are you arguing those years don't count or something?
Posted on 6/26/12 at 11:03 pm to cigsmcgee
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pre-Saban, theres not much difference.
This is very true. They use the excuse of SEC v SWC but look at them v TAMU. Pretty dead even there. And if you look at our series, which is only separated by 7.5 games, they played prior to the 60's. LSU was a top 10 team from early 1900s to the 50s. We were top 10 from the 60's through the 80's. We both sucked in the 90s. Then Saban took them to another level. They owe everything to him. Everything.
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 6/26/12 at 11:07 pm to ShreveportHog94
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LSU was a top 10 team from early 1900s to the mid 70's
FTFY
Then we underachieved for 25 years.
Nice try though.
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 6/26/12 at 11:10 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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So are you arguing those years don't count or something?
I assume he's arguing that they need the right coach to get them over the hump.
The feeling in Ark was this year was a likely MNC run, and it likely was with Petrino at the helm. I expected them towin the West last year if their RB didn't go down before the season. He will be the reason they will likely not do too horrible this season.
Ark is a good program and has TONS of cash behind it still driving that program. Had Saban not been at UA Ark would have a very good chance at the West. Saban's style of defense is a very strong counter to Petrino's offense.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 11:10 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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So are you arguing those years don't count or something?
I'm not at all. The decade that Saban has provided is better than any decade stretch for Arkansas. You took off and I wouldn't want to look back at what you were before that either.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 11:12 pm to rangers911
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I assume he's arguing that they need the right coach to get them over the hump.
Except we were underachieving and they weren't
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