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re: Which teams face both Chubb and Fournette this season?
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:30 pm to atlgamecockman
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:30 pm to atlgamecockman
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so they just get to the pro's and magically they're good? the work ethic that got them through college just appeared did it?
That's right. Arian Foster used magic to get good.
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Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:34 pm to Patton
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That's right. Arian Foster used magic to get good.
The one player I will cede this for
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:37 pm to atlgamecockman
You better cede it. Arian Foster is a fricking wizard.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:38 pm to SwampyLSU
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You dont think Fournette has those also? Cam Cameron this spring said the most improved player on the roster was Fournette and he was already amazing as a true freshman last year. Dude has work ethic like none other. The one area Chubb is clearly better is agility. Other than that, Fournette has more power, vision and probably speed.
He doesnt have a better combination than Chubb does, he can only hope to have one on chubbs level, and not many people saw that with their eyes last year.
Here are their Sparq scouting numbers from 2013:
Short shuttle: NC 4.12, LF 4.3
PowerBall toss: NC 43, LF 38.5
Vertical: NC 40.8, LF 29.9
This proves Chubb is quicker, more explosive, and and more powerful. Amazing what scouting can tell us. Thanks for bringing that up.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:48 pm to djsdawg
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This proves Chubb is quicker, more explosive, and and more powerful. Amazing what scouting can tell us. Thanks for bringing that up.
Wait you can't be serious. We just went over how in game stats could be misleading and now you want to use irrelevant high school out-of-game training stats to say one is better than the other? Why don't you mention the fact that Fournette has a faster 40 and 100m time? and as far as power goes its pretty clear who wins that category. I will admit however that Chubb is quicker agility wise
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:49 pm to SwampyLSU
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But it's a collective thing and that's what you don't get. Tom Brady the goat has won 4 superbowls and road the bench for most of his career at michigan. But by your logic a player that had better stats than him throughout college is a better qb than Brady, due to the fact that they're separate.
But your idea is not such a thing. The discussions about the best have always been separate between college and pro. The hall of fames are separate. The stats are separate.
My logic is that Brady wasn't a great player at Michigan, but he has been a great pro, and that Neither contradicts the other. Both are their own separate entities.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:58 pm to SwampyLSU
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Wait you can't be serious. We just went over how in game stats could be misleading and now you want to use irrelevant high school out-of-game training stats to say one is better than the other? Why don't you mention the fact that Fournette has a faster 40 and 100m time? and as far as power goes its pretty clear who wins that category. I will admit however that Chubb is quicker agility wise
Of course I am dead series as I bring the facts from the football field to the scouting combine, which is an idea that YOU initially brought up. Sadly, All you can bring are baseless opinions that are refuted by all the known facts.
I didnt bring up 40 time because LF didnt run it. Here are some more facts for you to chew on:
100m dash:
Fournette: 10.68
Chubb: 10.69
Bench:
Fournette: 315
Chubb: 365
[i]Power [/i]Clean:
Fournette: 300
Chubb: 390
Squat:
Fournette: 600
Chubb: 700
Posted on 7/17/15 at 12:00 am to djsdawg
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But your idea is not such a thing. The discussions about the best have always been separate between college and pro. The hall of fames are separate. The stats are separate.
My logic is that Brady wasn't a great player at Michigan, but he has been a great pro, and that Neither contradicts the other. Both are their own separate entities.
Do you not understand that it's the same person in both scenarios? It's not like he grew another pair of balls when he reached the nfl. To say he wasn't a great player at Michigan based off only stats is the problem here. Tom Brady is the Goat no matter what because he proved it in competition thats far superior.
Posted on 7/17/15 at 12:04 am to atlgamecockman
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37 ypg passing is pretty damn significant.
37 yards can be a ton in a game of inches
Chubb averaged 40 more ypg rushing than LF, so Maybe it is, but its debatable as One could also argue 100 is what qualifies as pretty damn significant.
Anyways, we aren't discussing how FB is a game of inches, but rather the effect of the passing game on the defenders on the field. 37 extra yards isn't gonna make a D keep the safeties back. THAT is the point.
This post was edited on 7/17/15 at 12:06 am
Posted on 7/17/15 at 12:05 am to djsdawg
I'd rather have Chubb. Fournette looks the part but he is going to have to prove it on the field before this is a valid discussion.
Posted on 7/17/15 at 12:10 am to djsdawg
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100m dash:
Fournette: 10.68
Chubb: 10.69
Bench:
Fournette: 315
Chubb: 365
Power Clean:
Fournette: 300
Chubb: 390
Squat:
Fournette: 600
Chubb: 700
Once again these are all irrelevant numbers from high school, and if Chubb is better in all of these categories then why wasn't he the #1 ranked rb in recruiting rather than #5? or if this meant so much then maybe he should have been #1 overall instead of Fournette, not that recruiting is everything.
Posted on 7/17/15 at 12:13 am to SwampyLSU
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Do you not understand that it's the same person in both scenarios? It's not like he grew another pair of balls when he reached the nfl. To say he wasn't a great player at Michigan based off only stats is the problem here. Tom Brady is the Goat no matter what because he proved it in competition thats far superior.
Of course:
1. Same person
2. 2 different careers
3. 2 different stat lines
4. 2 different hall of fames
5. 2 different discussions
No one takes Michigan into account when saying Brady is the best NFL QB of all time.
I haven't said a thing about Brady's college stats. Scouts and fans didnt think Brady was great with the eye test. Why you are still talking about stats is beyond me.
Posted on 7/17/15 at 12:14 am to djsdawg
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Of course:
1. Same person
2. 2 different careers
3. 2 different stat lines
4. 2 different hall of fames
5. 2 different discussions
No one takes Michigan into account when saying Brady is the best NFL QB of all time.
I haven't said a thing about Brady's college stats. Scouts and fans didnt think Brady was great with the eye test. Why you are still talking about stats is beyond me.
Bro, you are seriously delusional. You're the one talking about stats.
Posted on 7/17/15 at 12:14 am to SwampyLSU
Chubb played against low level competition in high school.
Not a high profile school or schedule.
He still earned his 5th star
Not a high profile school or schedule.
He still earned his 5th star
Posted on 7/17/15 at 12:16 am to SwampyLSU
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Once again these are all irrelevant numbers from high school
Your point is essentially that all facts presented are irrelevant because none support your opinion. Think about how dumb that sounds:
These are measurements of the very physical attributes we are discussing. Thats the exact opposite of irrelevant
Posted on 7/17/15 at 12:21 am to SwampyLSU
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Bro, you are seriously delusional. You're the one talking about stats.
This is what I said just a little bit ago:
"It's not just stats. I am pretty sure many are also comparing how they looked on the field. "
This post was edited on 7/17/15 at 12:23 am
Posted on 7/17/15 at 12:22 am to scrooster
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Both programs are going to try to get each back at least 25 carries per game, if not more.
No way Fournette gets 25 carries a game.
20 sounds more likely.
Posted on 7/17/15 at 12:22 am to djsdawg
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Your point is essentially that all facts presented are irrelevant because none support your opinion. Think about how dumb that sounds:
Did you not see the first post I made, where I admitted that Chubb had the better year last year? My point was that doesnt automatically make him the better RB. There's a lot more that goes into that, and im sorry you cant see it
This post was edited on 7/17/15 at 12:23 am
Posted on 7/17/15 at 12:23 am to djsdawg
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and the NFL draft backed rg3.
Incorrect. Luck was drafted 1st overall, Griffin second.
Posted on 7/17/15 at 12:26 am to meansonny
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Chubb played against low level competition in high school
huh? wouldn't that make him standout more? not discrediting him or anything just wondering. I just think it means a lot more that LF stood out amongst quality competition in HS like this one: LINK
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