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re: Which team was less deserving of a spot in the NC game: '07 LSU or '11 Bama
Posted on 6/29/16 at 3:22 pm to Ryan3232
Posted on 6/29/16 at 3:22 pm to Ryan3232
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It would have been interesting to see how that would have played out. Because by looking at the finishing record of the two teams, Bama and LSU would each have one loss and Bama's loss would be to LSU. But yeah, the late season loss thing might be the factor in Bama's favor. But in my opinion, it shouldn't.
What I actually meant was the possibility that Bama might have been shut out of the game too. It might have turned out to be OSU and Stanford because Bama's loss was cheapened ever-so-slightly by LSU no longer being undefeated. But I do agree that LSU would have been screwed regardless.
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Posted on 6/29/16 at 3:31 pm to BammerDelendaEst
While I thought it was pretty unfortunate Bama got a rematch having not won their own division/conference, they were no doubt the (at the time) second best team in the nation.
LSU 2007 would be the answer though. They snuck in by some late season luck even though their two losses came in 30T.
LSU 2007 would be the answer though. They snuck in by some late season luck even though their two losses came in 30T.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 3:40 pm to Jon Ham
both were the best team in the country in the respective years, so i guess it's a tie?
Posted on 6/29/16 at 3:48 pm to Ryan3232
USC did win a national championship in 03, the AP Title. It is just as good as the BCS Title.
As far Bama in 11, they didn't win the SEC Title but they did beat the SEC Champ in the National Title Game. The national title is a quite a bit more important then the SEC title.
What I find funny is LSU is the only team in the BCS era that won the championship game, but had to split the national title and they were the only 2 loss national champion in the BCS era.
Also, what is funny is that Bama has more national titles in football the last seven years then LSU has in their ENTIRE history.
As far Bama in 11, they didn't win the SEC Title but they did beat the SEC Champ in the National Title Game. The national title is a quite a bit more important then the SEC title.
What I find funny is LSU is the only team in the BCS era that won the championship game, but had to split the national title and they were the only 2 loss national champion in the BCS era.
Also, what is funny is that Bama has more national titles in football the last seven years then LSU has in their ENTIRE history.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 3:56 pm to Jon Ham
the 2011 Bama team beat every team they faced by 17 points or more. I understand they lost by 3 points to LSU in OT, but if LSU were truly the better team they wouldn't have allowed themselves to be curb stomped on national TV and shutout in the BCS title game.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 4:27 pm to remaster916
quote:don't even get me started with this.
USC did win a national championship in 03, the AP Title. It is just as good as the BCS Title
You arent the nation champion if you play the 4th best team in the country in your final game. They didnt play in the championship game.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 4:28 pm to Jon Ham
Bama. Is this even a question?
Posted on 6/29/16 at 4:29 pm to remaster916
quote:you have too much bama blood in you to have a civil conversation about any of this.
remaster916
Posted on 6/29/16 at 4:30 pm to CCTider
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I guess today is officially shite on Bama Day.
If today is not good for you let me know what day is and I will be happy to oblige.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 4:30 pm to BammerDelendaEst
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I vote we keep the spirit of the day alive all throughout the year!
I second that emotion
Posted on 6/29/16 at 4:32 pm to bamasgot13
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if LSU were truly the better team they wouldn't have allowed themselves to be curb stomped on national TV and shutout in the BCS title game.
If Bama were truly the better team they wouldn't have lost, at home.
That's a two way street.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 4:38 pm to Jon Ham
I will say '07 LSU was Les deserving but OSU and plane crash so I upvoted the OP.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 4:44 pm to Jon Ham
" two 8-5 teams". That's why it's not even close. LSU had by far the most talent in America that year and they lost to two teams they had no business losing to, and could have lost at least two more games that year, while being far superior talent wise. It's not even close. That 2011 team mauled everyone except LSU that year. The same people that complained about the BCS are the same people that still have a problem with 2011 Alabama. Alabama passed the eye test and all the criteria used to pick 4 teams for the playoff. They were the second best team coming in to the game, and proved TGOTC was a special teams fluke and they were clearly the best team that year. 07 LSU probably would have made a 4 team playoff, but it's not close to compare the two.
This post was edited on 6/29/16 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 6/29/16 at 4:46 pm to Jon Ham
LSU 2007 was not the most pristine resume ever but they were as deserving as any team in the BCS era to play for it all. You have to compare them to other teams THAT season. … everyone had flaws
No undefeated teams… Only one major team had 1 loss; Ohio State that also got in. Everyone else had 2 losses... and LSU was the most deserving amongst that flawed bunch. Won the conference (arguably the best that year) and had a marquee win against Va Tech.. easily the best non-conference win amongst the contenders that year.
UGA got beat beat twice by substantial margins and not even winning their division… at least LSU lost both in triple overtime…. Yes still lost.. but in a beauty contest LSU’s defeats looked better.
No undefeated teams… Only one major team had 1 loss; Ohio State that also got in. Everyone else had 2 losses... and LSU was the most deserving amongst that flawed bunch. Won the conference (arguably the best that year) and had a marquee win against Va Tech.. easily the best non-conference win amongst the contenders that year.
UGA got beat beat twice by substantial margins and not even winning their division… at least LSU lost both in triple overtime…. Yes still lost.. but in a beauty contest LSU’s defeats looked better.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 4:48 pm to RB10
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If Bama were truly the better team they wouldn't have lost, at home.
That's a two way street.
One team lost at home by 3 in OT. The other lost in their home state by 21 and crossed the 50 once. Who do you think was truly the better team that year?
And seriously, I take nothing away from that 2011 LSU team. They probably were more talented than 5 or 6 other BCS championship teams. They just weren't better than the 2011 Bama team.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 4:51 pm to Crimson Legend
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When a team wins the national championship game, it doesn't matter. You just beat the best opponent out there. You're the champs. A more interesting question is if you LOSE the championship game, did you deserve to be there and should somebody else have been there (like 2004 auburn)
This is the correct answer, you can't ever question whether the winner of the game deserved to be there, they proved they did.
I remember having this discussion on a USC board, they (mostly) said LSU didn't deserve to be in the game, it should have been 11-1 Kansas, the only other 1-loss BCS team besides OSU. My point was that if OSU beats Kansas, are they more deserving of the title now knowing that LSU beat OSU? IOW, it was OSU that didn't belong in the game -0 as was further evidenced by their, at the time, 1-2 record, with the only win the fluke over Miami.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 4:52 pm to MindRiot
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proved TGOTC was a special teams fluke and they were clearly the best team that year.
This is the average Bama fan in a nutshell. "We're better than everyone else. That loss was s fluke".
The only thing actually proven in 2011 was LSU could beat Alabama and Alabama could beat LSU. Anything else is conjecture.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 4:53 pm to bamasgot13
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They just weren't better than the 2011 Bama team
This is your opinion.
Posted on 6/29/16 at 5:03 pm to bamasgot13
Better and deserving are two different things.
Hell 2010 bama was probably better than 2010 auburn. Even though they lost 3 games they would likely be favored in all 3 rematches.
Bama in 2013 was a special teams "fluke" away from being undefeated. They were probably "better" than auburn and would win a neutral site rematch.
The bottom line is its about earning your way in the season. If not why not put bama in every year until Saban stops getting #1 class after #1 class? They will always be the most "talented" team and able to beat anyone at the end whether they have 1 or 3 losses.
I understand the playoff is different than the BCS. I have no problem with losing to bama in the playoff. Having to play them again in the BCS and leaving out another one loss conference champion just rubs me the wrong way though. Yes this is amplified by the fact we got stomped, but hey I'm an LSU fan of course I'm upset.
Now I know 11 wasn't crazy like putting them in like 10 would have been, I was just making an extreme analogy. And I understand your point that y'all were clearly the best team. Do you understand my point though? Where do you draw the line
Hell 2010 bama was probably better than 2010 auburn. Even though they lost 3 games they would likely be favored in all 3 rematches.
Bama in 2013 was a special teams "fluke" away from being undefeated. They were probably "better" than auburn and would win a neutral site rematch.
The bottom line is its about earning your way in the season. If not why not put bama in every year until Saban stops getting #1 class after #1 class? They will always be the most "talented" team and able to beat anyone at the end whether they have 1 or 3 losses.
I understand the playoff is different than the BCS. I have no problem with losing to bama in the playoff. Having to play them again in the BCS and leaving out another one loss conference champion just rubs me the wrong way though. Yes this is amplified by the fact we got stomped, but hey I'm an LSU fan of course I'm upset.
Now I know 11 wasn't crazy like putting them in like 10 would have been, I was just making an extreme analogy. And I understand your point that y'all were clearly the best team. Do you understand my point though? Where do you draw the line
This post was edited on 6/29/16 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 6/29/16 at 5:04 pm to RB10
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he only thing actually proven in 2011 was LSU could beat Alabama and Alabama could beat LSU.
You are serious, aren't you? You think those loses are equal to one another in what we learned from them? We learned LSU could squeak by Bama in OT and we learned Bama could dominate LSU.
Teams simply do not get dominated like that by other teams that are their equal. Not with a month to prepare. Not with a championship on the line. Sorry. It just doesn't happen. That LSU team was great. Bama was simply better. It's not conjecture to say that. It's using available data to formulate thoughts that are almost universally agreed on by everyone who doesn't pull for LSU.
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