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re: What were some of Chief's screw ups at Tennessee?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 11:31 am to memphisplaya
Posted on 7/29/15 at 11:31 am to memphisplaya
Today's theme for the SECr: Why Texas A&M doesn't belong in the SEC.
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:06 pm to lsufball19
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That's not good at all
So what would have been good? 10 of 14?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:19 pm to Mirthomatic
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It's why you still point to Chavis as the scapegoat for the 2012 Bama and 2014 Bama games. You ignore that you were only even IN those games because of the defense. You blame Chavis for the loss, as if the inept offense was some sort of innocent bystander
Mett played his fricking arse off against Bama in 2012. That loss is on Chavis
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:20 pm to Team Vote
And Copeland, but mostly Chavis!
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:26 pm to Mirthomatic
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Ole Miss game last year?
Bo went full retard after his team had drove into field goal range at the end of the game
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Or the Florida game?
Florida WR dropped a TD in the endzone at the end of the game
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Or the A&M game?
Kyle Allen went full retard thinking he had the offsides after driving most of the field at the end of the game
See the trend yet?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:26 pm to Team Vote
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Mett played his fricking arse off against Bama in 2012. That loss is on Chavis
The LSU offense put up 17 points. Mett only threw for one TD and he had an amazing duo of receivers.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:28 pm to TeLeFaWx
25-36 with 296 Yards and 8.2 yards per pass. 2012 Landry and Beckham were not 2013 Landry and Beckham. The offense more than held their end of the bargain that game.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:40 pm to Team Vote
I will concede that Chavis is partly to blame for losses when he goes into deep cushion, prevent defense. It is not all on him. His defense was usually tired because the offense had a multitude of 3-and-outs, giving them no time to rest. He was likely concerned the his DBs were too tired to cover. Still, he is to blame for that defense late in the game.
He is NOT, nor was his defense the sole cause of those losses. The only game I have seen where Chavis' defense should get a majority of the blame was the 44-41 loss to Georgia. The offense did its job and his did failed, including the late drive by UGA. In ALL OTHER games cited in this thread and others, the blame rests heavily on the offense.
He is NOT, nor was his defense the sole cause of those losses. The only game I have seen where Chavis' defense should get a majority of the blame was the 44-41 loss to Georgia. The offense did its job and his did failed, including the late drive by UGA. In ALL OTHER games cited in this thread and others, the blame rests heavily on the offense.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:42 pm to TeLeFaWx
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The LSU offense put up 17 points. Mett only threw for one TD and he had an amazing duo of receivers.
They were great in 2013. Only after spending the summer of 2013 working on routes everyday with Mett
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:43 pm to memphisplaya
Jeez. I would never imagine a simple question on the history of a defensive coordinator would end up a 9 page debate 
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:45 pm to TeLeFaWx
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The LSU offense put up 17 points. Mett only threw for one TD and he had an amazing duo of receivers.
McCaarron was 1/7 for 0 yards before the last drive. Chavis coached that last drive as shitty as you can get (we were only up 3 at the time...it took McCarron all of 22 seconds to go 3/3 for 44 yards to get Alabama in field goal range).
That said, I'm not solely putting the loss on him. Miles made plenty of bonehead calls that game (fake FG, onside kick, multiple shitty 4th down tries, etc).
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:47 pm to Team Vote
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See the trend yet?
Yeah, the trend is that LSU fans say when Chavis doesn't hold a lead, it's on him. When he does hold a lead, it's because the other team screwed up.
The trend is another in an endless line of posts from LSU fans trying to reassure themselves that their fabulous DC really wasn't all that great.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:49 pm to Mirthomatic
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Yeah, the trend is that LSU fans say when Chavis doesn't hold a lead, it's on him. When he does hold a lead, it's because the other team screwed up.
The trend is another in an endless line of posts from LSU fans trying to reassure themselves that their fabulous DC really wasn't all that great.
no, all LSU fans are saying is that he's not infallible like A&M fans seem to believe.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:50 pm to KaiserSoze99
Posted by Nuts4LSU on 3/31
Our offense has been below par and cost us games. No LSU fan will deny that. But you gotta hold a got damn lead at the end of the game if you're DC.
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Yet every LSU a-hole was puckered at the end of those games because we had seen this shite time and time and time again. Sometimes the other team bailed LSU out.
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A few of Chavis' choice accomplishments from 2012 through 2014, when he supposedly got pissed off because the offense wasn't holding up its end of the bargain:
-LSU lost while scoring 40 or more points in regulation for the first time in its history (Georgia 2013)
-LSU allowed its most points to Alabama (38) since 1925 (2013)
-LSU equaled its most points ever allowed to Auburn (41 in 2014)
-In six of its 11 losses in 2012 through 2014, LSU led or was tied in the final two minutes before Chavis' defense gave up the winning or tying score. In five of the six, it led or was tied in the final minute. In four of those five, it led or was tied in the final five seconds.
-One of those six losses in which Chavis' defense couldn't make a stop to preserve the win (Clemson 2012) was LSU's first loss to an ACC team (while it was in the ACC) since 1955.
If Chavis wants to pretend he's a championship coach that just couldn't get enough help from his offense, he won't fool anybody but a bunch of Aggies with that bullshite.
Our offense has been below par and cost us games. No LSU fan will deny that. But you gotta hold a got damn lead at the end of the game if you're DC.
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Yeah, the trend is that LSU fans say when Chavis doesn't hold a lead, it's on him. When he does hold a lead, it's because the other team screwed up.
Yet every LSU a-hole was puckered at the end of those games because we had seen this shite time and time and time again. Sometimes the other team bailed LSU out.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:50 pm to Mirthomatic
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LSU fans trying to reassure themselves that their fabulous DC really wasn't all that great.
Great? He was a really good DC, but he wasn't Charlie fricking McBride like y'all make him out to be.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:59 pm to Dlab2013
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Like the fact that despite national rankings LSU only averages 8pts less per game over the last 2 years than Sumlin's fun and gun? 8 points per game? 1 score per game.....I thought Sumlin was some sort of GuRu?
Considering Aggy's OOC schedule consists of Rice, Odessa Permian High School, and the Little Giants, that's saying something.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:18 pm to Mirthomatic
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Oh no? Then how did you win the Ole Miss game last year? Or the Florida game? Or the A&M game? In ALL THREE games LSU's defense stopped a late drive
OM game they went for a touchdown instead of a manageable field goal to force OT, Bo threw an awful pass.
Florda's wide open TE dropped a pass that was in his hands in the endzone, that pass was literally perfect. And they still tied it up. LSU's kicker had to make a career long shot to win.
A&M's QB aired out what he thought was a free play and we picked it off.
LSU only stopped the OM and Aggie drives, and those were capitalizing on offensive blunders. UF literally dropped the winning TD with no coverage at all.
P.S. UF was a dumpster fire to begin with and we still let them put up all those points.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:36 pm to KaiserSoze99
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I will concede that Chavis is partly to blame for losses when he goes into deep cushion, prevent defense. It is not all on him. His defense was usually tired because the offense had a multitude of 3-and-outs, giving them no time to rest. He was likely concerned the his DBs were too tired to cover. Still, he is to blame for that defense late in the game.
This entire paragraph is bullshite. He is entirely to blame. He takes the scheme that was winning the game for us (letting our amazing DBs play press coverage) and says "frick it, if it worked all game it won't work now when it matters." Our DBs aren't tricking tired from offensive 3 and outs! TOP is a thing and we almost always dominate it, and even if we don't outright dominate it, we very rarely lose it (I'll give you Auburn 2014, but that's about it). He's playing prevent to hopefully not lose instead of going for the kill, and it loses games for us almost every time.
Chavis is a great DC Aggies. Y'all will be better with him. But he was not worth the money he was asking for to consistently change his winning game plan in the last two minutes, and to start DJ freaking Welter at Mike while he put Beckwith (who will be one of the best Mikes in the conference) at freaking DE! That decision was a major factor in every loss and near loss of 2013 and the 1st half of 14.
Y'all upgraded, but LSU needed to fix things Chavis wasn't doing right. Can we please drop this until they actually play a season?
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:59 pm to Purplehaze44
No one really cares because aggy has their talking points from their dog commander and LSU and UT supporters already know this, but one of the weird things about Chavis' career is his red zone numbers. I think in 2012, LSU finished near 100 in red zone defense (meaning people scored touchdowns when they got to the red zone). It was pretty crazy. His story at LSU seemed to be he either kept you on your side of the field or you scored. It was interesting.
I think he has similarity to Dungy in that his scheme relies on doing simple concepts quickly and effectively. Most teams can't execute against that type of defense consistently enough to beat you. The problem is, the scheme, for better or worse, is what it is. There isn't a lot of camouflage or exoticness to it. That's why you see let downs. What sport psychologists have determined is that under high stress situations, players revert to instinct. What that means in a scheme like Dungy's or Chavis' is that they won't do their assignment and try to do too much. That creates gaps in his system and those mistakes are fatal at the end of games.
I think he has similarity to Dungy in that his scheme relies on doing simple concepts quickly and effectively. Most teams can't execute against that type of defense consistently enough to beat you. The problem is, the scheme, for better or worse, is what it is. There isn't a lot of camouflage or exoticness to it. That's why you see let downs. What sport psychologists have determined is that under high stress situations, players revert to instinct. What that means in a scheme like Dungy's or Chavis' is that they won't do their assignment and try to do too much. That creates gaps in his system and those mistakes are fatal at the end of games.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 4:37 pm to 12Pence
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McCaarron was 1/7 for 0 yards before the last drive.
Was that not due to Chavis? Why didn't the offense capitalize on that?
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