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re: What prevents Vanderbilt from competing in Football using Stanford's model?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:02 pm to Vandyrone
Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:02 pm to Vandyrone
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They did. July 2012.
Thanks. I remembered the dissolution of the AD because it was such an unusual move, esp for an SEC school, although Vandy isn't your typical SEC school, and I don't mean that in a bad way. But I didn't recall hearing about it being reestablished. Thanks for the info.
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:02 pm to Vandyrone
Roll Tide!
DP.
DP.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:03 pm to Titus Pullo
Gordon Gee wasn't your typical chancellor.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:04 pm to Vandyrone
No doubt.
Edit: And that wasn't a dig against their baseball team. I would like to see an SEC team win it all in every sport. If it can't be football then go for hoops, or baseball, gymnastics, golf, etc.
I do hate that damn basketball court though.
Edit: And that wasn't a dig against their baseball team. I would like to see an SEC team win it all in every sport. If it can't be football then go for hoops, or baseball, gymnastics, golf, etc.
I do hate that damn basketball court though.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:20 pm to the808bass
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Stanford's marketing dept has done a wonderful job convincing people that they don't have any different standards for their athletes than their regular students.
yup. you think richard sherman would've gotten into stanford? exactly.
i think guys have to have around a 24 act and a 3.0. most of them major in sociology or communications, etc.
it's not all that, but it's still a pretty steep requirement for most recruits. there would be no sec if all schools had those standards.
the "normal" stanford freshman has about a 32 or greater act and a 4.0 coming out of high school.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:21 pm to Grovewater
population of California - 38.8 million
population of Tennessee - 6.5 million
winning at Stanford is far easier than at Vandy just off that alone
population of Tennessee - 6.5 million
winning at Stanford is far easier than at Vandy just off that alone
Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:28 pm to Grovewater
Stanford is in California, Vanderbilt is in Tennessee.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:36 pm to Dr RC
quote:Stanford has a ton of out of state kids on the team though. The reason Stanford is able to sustain success is because of their history. The have had periods of success before. Add in the fact that they are in the Silicon Valley and have a lot of rich, famous alumni and dropouts and their name as something behind it.
population of California - 38.8 million
population of Tennessee - 6.5 million
winning at Stanford is far easier than at Vandy just off that alone
Posted on 12/10/15 at 3:23 pm to Grovewater
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The SEC East historically only has 2 Nationally relevant teams who can CONSISTENTLY compete. Florida and Georgia.
WTF????
UGA has one a grand total in 1 National Championship, 3o something years ago.
Florida was nationally and regionally irrelevant before Spurrier.
Bama and Tennesse are historically the 2 best SEC programs, followed distantly by LSU.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 4:05 pm to Monticello
it helps that they are in the pac12.. in the SEC, they'd be Arkansas.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 6:14 pm to Grovewater
When Stanford joins a conference that has been stacked as routinely as the SEC, we'll see how much success they have.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 6:21 pm to Monticello
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Bottom line, Stanford and Vandy are not even comparable.
Pretty much but I don't think recruits give a damn about Nashville producing country music. There's no stigma to that and I say that as someone who believes Nashville is a place where music goes to die or be whored out to the masses who think mentioning a truck, skoal, or tractor = 'country.'
Posted on 12/10/15 at 6:27 pm to Grovewater
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Why can't Vandy do the same?
They could if they wanted to. But believe it or not, many think of Universities as a place to be educated and that's their priority.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 6:40 pm to Grovewater
Somebody probably made this point in the thread, but there are only so many super smart elite athletes to go around. You would think a number of schools like Northwestern could easily follow the Duke model in basketball, but it just doesn't happen.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 6:58 pm to Titus Pullo
Stanford has a fully endowed Athletic program. What this means, is that the every day operations of the program from salaries, scholarships, equipment, and regular maintenance can be funded off interest. Now they'd need donations to cover major capital expenses (new stadium or multi-million coach buyouts), but the school as a whole doesn't have to subsidize the athletic dept.
As far as the extra SEC money for Vandy, its been rumored that Vandy has set a budget for the AD as a whole. Any extra revenue, including the new SEC TV money, goes directly towards funding that budgets so the school can take that money and use it elsewhere. Example: VU's AD budget from the school is $100M. Currently that's basically $100M lost from the general University's budget. Now, the SEC distributes $25M back to the AD. This doesn't mean the AD now has $125M to spend, but rather the extra $25M is given back to the general univ. fund. Thus our budget stays flat at $100M. We can't use that "new" money to fund a new stadium.
Vandy would also like to endow the program, but that's going to take a ton of money and time to do so fully.
As far as the extra SEC money for Vandy, its been rumored that Vandy has set a budget for the AD as a whole. Any extra revenue, including the new SEC TV money, goes directly towards funding that budgets so the school can take that money and use it elsewhere. Example: VU's AD budget from the school is $100M. Currently that's basically $100M lost from the general University's budget. Now, the SEC distributes $25M back to the AD. This doesn't mean the AD now has $125M to spend, but rather the extra $25M is given back to the general univ. fund. Thus our budget stays flat at $100M. We can't use that "new" money to fund a new stadium.
Vandy would also like to endow the program, but that's going to take a ton of money and time to do so fully.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 7:01 pm to Grovewater
I thinks it's harder to get into Vandy as an athlete than Stanford. Though I may be wrong and it's easy to get into both. (24 ACT and 2.8 GPA will probably get you in as an athlete)
Between the two, if I'm going into engineering I'm going to Vandy. Anything else, Stanford's an easy choice.
Between the two, if I'm going into engineering I'm going to Vandy. Anything else, Stanford's an easy choice.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:27 am to KamaCausey_LSU
You're wrong.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 2:08 am to Cheese Grits
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Stanford does not play an SEC schedule.
Let's be real, Vanderbilts schedule is much easier than Stanfords, it's not even close. Stanford played Oregon, Notre Dame, USC, and UCLA who are all better than any team Vandy played with the possible exception of Tennessee.
Posted on 12/12/15 at 11:51 am to SurfTide
Stanford is currently the 2nd or 3rd most competitive school in the country (after Harvard and Princeton) for admissions. The value and connections in the tech industry is a HUGE recruiting tool for athletes that have good grades for that pool. While almost none of the FB team would sniff being admitted as a regular student, its become a strong brand to promote, similar to how Duke, Notre Dame, Northwestern, and Vandy also promote the value of the degrees
Posted on 12/12/15 at 1:04 pm to Grovewater
I think Vandy is still suffering from losing Franklin. Not only did they lose à coach but the players also went with Franklin.
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